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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2019, 08:44:42 AM »
The Second Amendment did not grant or create the right to bear arms.......the Second Amendment was created by the right to bear arms.  That right existed before the Constitution. The Second Amendment merely recognizes that pre-existing right, and declares that the government is constrained in any attempts to violate the right of citizens to bear arms.  The right to keep and bear arms would still be there without the Second Amendment.  The whole "militia" thing is nonsense.

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2019, 09:52:36 AM »
In spite of the 2nd amendment the right of citizens to keep and bear arms has already been infringed. There is strong, organized opposition to firearms in our country. We are fortunate to have organizations like the NRA fighting for firearms rights.

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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2019, 03:18:52 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?

Try telling that to your North Korean friends.    Oh wait..... you can't, because they have nothing like a 1st amendment protection.

Do you seriously think that your natural rights can't be trampled by Gov't?

There are examples all around the world.

At least their right to keep and bear arms is intact.     Oh... wait.....
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2019, 03:53:55 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?

Try telling that to your North Korean friends.    Oh wait..... you can't, because they have nothing like a 1st amendment protection.

Do you seriously think that your natural rights can't be trampled by Gov't?

There are examples all around the world.

At least their right to keep and bear arms is intact.     Oh... wait.....

Do you think that the government actually grants you the rights to freedom of speech, bearing of arms, practicing whichever religion you choose, etc., etc., etc. ?
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2019, 04:44:35 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?

Try telling that to your North Korean friends.    Oh wait..... you can't, because they have nothing like a 1st amendment protection.

Do you seriously think that your natural rights can't be trampled by Gov't?

There are examples all around the world.

At least their right to keep and bear arms is intact.     Oh... wait.....

Do you think that the government actually grants you the rights to freedom of speech, bearing of arms, practicing whichever religion you choose, etc., etc., etc. ?
Given that those rights don't exist in most countries of the world, yes.
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2019, 04:49:44 PM »
Or the rights are there, but not acknowledged and suppressed by those governments.

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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2019, 05:02:52 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?

Try telling that to your North Korean friends.    Oh wait..... you can't, because they have nothing like a 1st amendment protection.

Do you seriously think that your natural rights can't be trampled by Gov't?

There are examples all around the world.

At least their right to keep and bear arms is intact.     Oh... wait.....

Do you think that the government actually grants you the rights to freedom of speech, bearing of arms, practicing whichever religion you choose, etc., etc., etc. ?
Given that those rights don't exist in most countries of the world, yes.

Do you agree with the concept of a natural right ?  Please explain to me how a natural right, or unalienable right, can exist in one country but not another. 
« Last Edit: June 08, 2019, 05:14:06 PM by Igor »
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2019, 05:04:51 PM »
Or the rights are there, but not acknowledged and suppressed by those governments.

Or perhaps the citizens of those countries have simply surrendered their rights ?
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Re: The Supreme Courtís Worst Decision of My Tenure
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2019, 05:25:15 PM »

If we didn't have the 2nd Amendment most if not all of our firearms rights would be long gone in nearly every liberal leaning area of this country if not the whole country. It is a constant battle for the NRA and other groups and individuals bringing lawsuits based on the 2nd Amendment against liberal jurisdictions who try to infringe or remove our right to bear arms.

That's simply not true......rights are not granted nor taken away by government, nor liberals.  Do you honestly believe that if the government decided to get rid of the 1st Amendment we would no longer have the right to free speech in this country ?

Try telling that to your North Korean friends.    Oh wait..... you can't, because they have nothing like a 1st amendment protection.

Do you seriously think that your natural rights can't be trampled by Gov't?

There are examples all around the world.

At least their right to keep and bear arms is intact.     Oh... wait.....

Do you think that the government actually grants you the rights to freedom of speech, bearing of arms, practicing whichever religion you choose, etc., etc., etc. ?
Given that those rights don't exist in most countries of the world, yes.

Do you agree with the concept of a natural right ?  Please explain to me how a natural right, or unalienable right, can exist in one country but not another.

Yes, I believe in Natural rights (or God given freedom).
But I also know that governments around the world trample those rights, and in many countries people haven't experienced their Natural rights for generations......   So they don't know what is their real birthright.
I think women have Natural Rights.....   But some countries consider them property.
I think slavery violates Natural Rights....   But evil men still enslave others.

Our Constitution was meant to enshrine our rights (not give them to us).

So, perhaps we don't really disagree.....   We're just spelling out our beliefs differently?

And since, upon re-reading my post it kind of feels like I baited you........   I didn't intend it that way.
Have a great day living out your freedom in The Greatest Country on God's Green Earth.    :tup:
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