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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2019, 12:40:29 PM »
Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2019, 01:04:55 PM »
how convenient that the provable acts against your theories only happened 'before' and that now they are no longer happening, while you point to unproven and specious opinions as the obvious truth open to anyone who has eyes.  I bet you think we didn't land on the moon, that obama was born in kenya, and that vaccines cause autism?

 

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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2019, 01:08:13 PM »
X-Force,

Well, that doesn't really help narrow it down for me.  ;)  I've talked with hundreds (thousands?) of people about a litany of projects that benefit the conservation and hunting of nearly every conceivable huntable and non-huntable species in this state. You're definitely drinking the BHA Kool-Aid if you think BHA supports a wide variety of politicians.  They only support leftists.  Prove me wrong.

Here's Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Playbook:

With political races increasingly coming down to polar opposite 50/50 percentages, candidates and public policies are won by changing the minds of a very small fraction of the populace one way or the other.

The Democratic Party recognizes the value in incremental wins. They don't play a stupid last minute Hail Mary game like Republicans and Conservatives do. They are content to pound along yard by yard towards their goal. They play this game better than anyone and they are willing to funnel MILLIONS of dollars through private foundations to entities like BHA to pick up tiny incremental percentages of votes in order to win elections and thereby gain more power and control over the long term.

They realized that the hunting and fishing community has been largely right of center for eons.  Our sub-group has a deep-seated appreciation for hunting and fishing in remote wilderness areas...and was/is ripe for the picking.

By using some slick marketing and an amazing name (I wish I had come up with it!), they attracted a portion of the hunting and fishing community and then subtly (or none-too-subtly) began feeding their "membership" a raft of leftist horse doo-doo propoganda - as Land Tawney has done all his adult life, in the hopes of picking up some votes for the Democrats.

When it comes right down to it, they aren't a "conservation" organization, they are a political front group. And they're doing it all under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit status.

They're just arm of the Democratic Party.  They are part of the cancer that is pushing us farther and farther to ruin.

Ergo my animosity.
I'm glad we have you to educate all of us on this "information". 

I'm particularly intrigued at how slick BHA is...I mean, they duped one of the more conservative Governors in the US (Brad Little R- Idaho) to speak at their Rendezvous in Boise, ID a few months ago...Donald Trump Jr. is a life member...and we all know what a leftist socialist he is...  :chuckle:

There is an alternative and more simple explanation: BHA isn't some political front group...rather they are committed to protecting backcountry hunting and fishing experiences.  Not everyone who hunts enjoys or uses backcountry and non-motorized areas...so I understand certain groups not aligning with all of BHAs platforms.  It doesn't make them some radical leftist group.

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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2019, 01:09:51 PM »
Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby

I think blinders are in equally short supply  :twocents:


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it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.

This is untrue, there was a faction of the right who advocated this but they've since been silenced by the majority of conservatives and other republicans.


Thanks for bringing this up, it's one more insidious thing BHA does, beat the drums of this idea that the evil right wing is going to sell off public lands to the highest bidder and duping more people afraid of loosing their hunting lands to private companies.  It's simply untrue.

@KFHunter - I believe this was actually on the Republican 2016 platform.  We'll see what 2020 brings.

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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2019, 01:14:14 PM »
how convenient that the provable acts against your theories only happened 'before' and that now they are no longer happening, while you point to unproven and specious opinions as the obvious truth open to anyone who has eyes.  I bet you think we didn't land on the moon, that obama was born in kenya, and that vaccines cause autism?

 

what do all those strawmen have to do with BHA fear mongering?




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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2019, 01:15:52 PM »

I'm glad we have you to educate all of us on this "information". 

I'm particularly intrigued at how slick BHA is...I mean, they duped one of the more conservative Governors in the US (Brad Little R- Idaho) to speak at their Rendezvous in Boise, ID a few months ago...Donald Trump Jr. is a life member...and we all know what a leftist socialist he is...  :chuckle:

There is an alternative and more simple explanation: BHA isn't some political front group...rather they are committed to protecting backcountry hunting and fishing experiences.  Not everyone who hunts enjoys or uses backcountry and non-motorized areas...so I understand certain groups not aligning with all of BHAs platforms.  It doesn't make them some radical leftist group.

You said you didn't belong to BHA and haven't given them any money.

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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2019, 01:17:39 PM »
Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby

I think blinders are in equally short supply  :twocents:


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it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.

This is untrue, there was a faction of the right who advocated this but they've since been silenced by the majority of conservatives and other republicans.


Thanks for bringing this up, it's one more insidious thing BHA does, beat the drums of this idea that the evil right wing is going to sell off public lands to the highest bidder and duping more people afraid of loosing their hunting lands to private companies.  It's simply untrue.

@KFhunter - I believe this was actually on the Republican 2016 platform.  We'll see what 2020 brings.

yup, they were sucking up voters jaded with the whole bundy fiasco.   I don't and didn't agree with it then or now. 

It's a dead issue and was a mistake, but he did win the election....

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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2019, 02:35:02 PM »
X-Force,

Well, that doesn't really help narrow it down for me.  ;)  I've talked with hundreds (thousands?) of people about a litany of projects that benefit the conservation and hunting of nearly every conceivable huntable and non-huntable species in this state. You're definitely drinking the BHA Kool-Aid if you think BHA supports a wide variety of politicians.  They only support leftists.  Prove me wrong.

Here's Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Playbook:

With political races increasingly coming down to polar opposite 50/50 percentages, candidates and public policies are won by changing the minds of a very small fraction of the populace one way or the other.

The Democratic Party recognizes the value in incremental wins. They don't play a stupid last minute Hail Mary game like Republicans and Conservatives do. They are content to pound along yard by yard towards their goal. They play this game better than anyone and they are willing to funnel MILLIONS of dollars through private foundations to entities like BHA to pick up tiny incremental percentages of votes in order to win elections and thereby gain more power and control over the long term.

They realized that the hunting and fishing community has been largely right of center for eons.  Our sub-group has a deep-seated appreciation for hunting and fishing in remote wilderness areas...and was/is ripe for the picking.

By using some slick marketing and an amazing name (I wish I had come up with it!), they attracted a portion of the hunting and fishing community and then subtly (or none-too-subtly) began feeding their "membership" a raft of leftist horse doo-doo propoganda - as Land Tawney has done all his adult life, in the hopes of picking up some votes for the Democrats.

When it comes right down to it, they aren't a "conservation" organization, they are a political front group. And they're doing it all under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit status.

They're just arm of the Democratic Party.  They are part of the cancer that is pushing us farther and farther to ruin.

Ergo my animosity.
I'm glad we have you to educate all of us on this "information". 

I'm particularly intrigued at how slick BHA is...I mean, they duped one of the more conservative Governors in the US (Brad Little R- Idaho) to speak at their Rendezvous in Boise, ID a few months ago...Donald Trump Jr. is a life member...and we all know what a leftist socialist he is...  :chuckle:

There is an alternative and more simple explanation: BHA isn't some political front group...rather they are committed to protecting backcountry hunting and fishing experiences.  Not everyone who hunts enjoys or uses backcountry and non-motorized areas...so I understand certain groups not aligning with all of BHAs platforms.  It doesn't make them some radical leftist group.

This an old argument it has already been shown that the bulk of the money comes from special interest groups who are pushing liberal agendas. Bushcraft and Kfhunter are correct.
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2019, 02:53:08 PM »
I wonder...... who is drinking who’s Koolaid?
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2019, 02:59:14 PM »
Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby
:yeah:

So I guess we know where you stand on those 3 issues. After accusing others of conspiracy theories; “ridiculous claims” “ignorant theories” you provided gross generalizations and dismissed the adults have a conversation as “needing a different hobby”. Hunting is the hobby and some of us value protecting that. It requires adult discussion and staying involved and educated. If you don’t think there are well funded groups attempting to end hunting you aren’t paying attention.

Exposing ownership and control of these groups is vital to sportsmen making informed decisions of what groups to support. I would refer some to Aesop’s fable of the wolf in sheep’s clothing, this is not a new tactic.
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2019, 03:08:52 PM »
What I see a lot of people forgetting is there are moderates on both sides of the aisle.. Not every republican is a tea party advocate and not every democrat is an anti gun hsus advocate.
And you know what, the moderates actually talk to each other, and can get things done,  instead of building a brick wall down the aisle.
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2019, 03:25:21 PM »
We have a bigger badder wall right down the middle of the halls of congress than we do on the southern border.

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« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2019, 03:35:19 PM »
We have a bigger badder wall right down the middle of the halls of congress than we do on the southern border.
Indeed, and the further that wall gets built and the more extreme both sides get the closer we get to a societal collapse.
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2019, 03:39:35 PM »
X-Force,

Well, that doesn't really help narrow it down for me.  ;)  I've talked with hundreds (thousands?) of people about a litany of projects that benefit the conservation and hunting of nearly every conceivable huntable and non-huntable species in this state. You're definitely drinking the BHA Kool-Aid if you think BHA supports a wide variety of politicians.  They only support leftists.  Prove me wrong.

Here's Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Playbook:

With political races increasingly coming down to polar opposite 50/50 percentages, candidates and public policies are won by changing the minds of a very small fraction of the populace one way or the other.

The Democratic Party recognizes the value in incremental wins. They don't play a stupid last minute Hail Mary game like Republicans and Conservatives do. They are content to pound along yard by yard towards their goal. They play this game better than anyone and they are willing to funnel MILLIONS of dollars through private foundations to entities like BHA to pick up tiny incremental percentages of votes in order to win elections and thereby gain more power and control over the long term.

They realized that the hunting and fishing community has been largely right of center for eons.  Our sub-group has a deep-seated appreciation for hunting and fishing in remote wilderness areas...and was/is ripe for the picking.

By using some slick marketing and an amazing name (I wish I had come up with it!), they attracted a portion of the hunting and fishing community and then subtly (or none-too-subtly) began feeding their "membership" a raft of leftist horse doo-doo propoganda - as Land Tawney has done all his adult life, in the hopes of picking up some votes for the Democrats.

When it comes right down to it, they aren't a "conservation" organization, they are a political front group. And they're doing it all under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit status.

They're just arm of the Democratic Party.  They are part of the cancer that is pushing us farther and farther to ruin.

Ergo my animosity.
I'm glad we have you to educate all of us on this "information". 

I'm particularly intrigued at how slick BHA is...I mean, they duped one of the more conservative Governors in the US (Brad Little R- Idaho) to speak at their Rendezvous in Boise, ID a few months ago...Donald Trump Jr. is a life member...and we all know what a leftist socialist he is...  :chuckle:

There is an alternative and more simple explanation: BHA isn't some political front group...rather they are committed to protecting backcountry hunting and fishing experiences.  Not everyone who hunts enjoys or uses backcountry and non-motorized areas...so I understand certain groups not aligning with all of BHAs platforms.  It doesn't make them some radical leftist group.

This an old argument it has already been shown that the bulk of the money comes from special interest groups who are pushing liberal agendas. Bushcraft and Kfhunter are correct.
BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   
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Re: meateater buying first lite
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2019, 04:52:15 PM »
TRump is a republican now?? Man I seem to remember him donating money to democratic candidates in the past. Most notably Hillary Clinton on multiple equations. The problem is that every single person in congress is a millionaire who is supposed to represent the average American.
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