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[WAcoyotehunter]

BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   

Yes.  I agree.  You're discussing this with far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives.  It's as foolish to try to bring them around as it would be if we were on an anti hunting forum.  The last poll we had showed a slight conservative tilt in membership, but BHA is most attractive to hunters and anglers near the middle.   

Don't waste your time and help them derail a thread about Rinella, who is arguably the most well spoken and mainstream public figure that the hunting community has to offer.

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[KFhunter]

BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   

Yes.  I agree.  You're discussing this with far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives.  It's as foolish to try to bring them around as it would be if we were on an anti hunting forum.  The last poll we had showed a slight conservative tilt in membership, but BHA is most attractive to hunters and anglers near the middle.   

Don't waste your time and help them derail a thread about Rinella, who is arguably the most well spoken and mainstream public figure that the hunting community has to offer.

Am I far right wing?  Are you a radical lefty?  I haven't decided what I am and you probably haven't either so lets lay off the labels eh?
My stance on BHA was stated earlier and has since been mis-characterized. 

Again:
My beef with BHA is they try to hide who they are and what they support while cheerleading "access for all" when in fact they only cheerlead for their specific type of access...foot only.

BHA supports more wilderness, that's fine, but be up front and honest about it and collect in like minded individuals that support more wilderness.  I feel that too many hunters are being duped into supporting a conservation group not knowing where their money is going and to what purpose, thus I encourage people to do their homework first and see what BHA is doing and supporting.  I don't deny that BHA is doing good work, some of that work has been done with HW members' money that doesn't support BHA at all and are very critical of them.   So I applaud BHA for doing those projects like the golden doe, but I cannot support things like the quiet waters initiative in Montana.   

I don't wish to keep the left from hunting, I invite them to try it out but I'd like to educate them that yes while they're fit and capable now perhaps they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot by forever limiting various forms of access to public lands by creating more wilderness lest they find themselves no longer able to access once cherished hunting lands.

besides all that I have a problem with making my enemies richer, enabling them to acquire more companies and exert more influence on my dime. 
The same argument can be made about buying Chinese goods so they in turn can build their military up more to threaten us even more and steal more of our technology. 

I do not want one  going to line the pockets of people like Chernin group.


I've also said Steve Rinella is a great advocate for hunters and has an uncanny ability to speak to those on the left, he's done wonders for the hunting community and I don't discredit that at all. 

Yet there's those here on HW that continually mis-characterize what I say and twist it labeling me a right wing wacko.

If a guy is a lefty that hunts and wants more wilderness then BHA is probably a good fit for them and I encourage them to join it if they want, maybe they can get more golden doe projects done that we can all agree on. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Am I far right wing? 

Yet there's those here on HW that continually mis-characterize what I say and twist it labeling me a right wing wacko.

Someone erased your post about Ann Coulter and her theory... that was pretty much the definition of Right Wing Whacko jargon

[idahohuntr]

BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   

Yes.  I agree.  You're discussing this with far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives.  It's as foolish to try to bring them around as it would be if we were on an anti hunting forum.  The last poll we had showed a slight conservative tilt in membership, but BHA is most attractive to hunters and anglers near the middle.   

Don't waste your time and help them derail a thread about Rinella, who is arguably the most well spoken and mainstream public figure that the hunting community has to offer.

Good point...I'll go back to checking ID draw results every few minutes 

[KFhunter]

Someone erased your post about Ann Coulter and her theory... that was pretty much the definition of Right Wing Whacko jargon

I did, realized it was a thread jack.   I didn't make the theory, Ann Coulter did. 
I was responding to the idea of a societal collapse, and I agree it's going to happen, it always does.

[KFhunter]

BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   

Yes.  I agree.  You're discussing this with far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives.  It's as foolish to try to bring them around as it would be if we were on an anti hunting forum.  The last poll we had showed a slight conservative tilt in membership, but BHA is most attractive to hunters and anglers near the middle.   

Don't waste your time and help them derail a thread about Rinella, who is arguably the most well spoken and mainstream public figure that the hunting community has to offer.

Good point...I'll go back to checking ID draw results every few minutes 

There's one thing we agree on, this is a waste of time. 

[ctwiggs1]

@bushcraft hard to jump fully onboard with your logic.  You generally advocate that everyone should support the NRA, who has a long history of supporting Democrat candidates.

I don’t disagree about your statement regarding democrats for the most part, but your logic of which non profits to support because of the politicians they support doesn’t really add up.

[Special T]

@bushcraft hard to jump fully onboard with your logic.  You generally advocate that everyone should support the NRA, who has a long history of supporting Democrat candidates.

I don’t disagree about your statement regarding democrats for the most part, but your logic of which non profits to support because of the politicians they support doesn’t really add up.

There are Democrats with good NRA ratings... there just an endangered species...

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[SuperX]

@bushcraft hard to jump fully onboard with your logic.  You generally advocate that everyone should support the NRA, who has a long history of supporting Democrat candidates.

I don’t disagree about your statement regarding democrats for the most part, but your logic of which non profits to support because of the politicians they support doesn’t really add up.

There are Democrats with good NRA ratings... there just an endangered species...

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Same with democrats who hunt and fish.  Let's demonize them so they stop supporting guns and hunting 

[Special T]

@bushcraft hard to jump fully onboard with your logic.  You generally advocate that everyone should support the NRA, who has a long history of supporting Democrat candidates.

I don’t disagree about your statement regarding democrats for the most part, but your logic of which non profits to support because of the politicians they support doesn’t really add up.

There are Democrats with good NRA ratings... there just an endangered species...

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Same with democrats who hunt and fish.  Let's demonize them so they stop supporting guns and hunting 

Well they are usually the same ones, as far as I can tell. I would also lay down the wager that the party would love to get rid of these Mavericks. They have already done it to a couple of them.

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[Bushcraft]

@bushcraft hard to jump fully onboard with your logic.  You generally advocate that everyone should support the NRA, who has a long history of supporting Democrat candidates.

I don’t disagree about your statement regarding democrats for the most part, but your logic of which non profits to support because of the politicians they support doesn’t really add up.

The asymmetric difference between the NRA and BHA is that the former is willing to support candidates on both sides of the aisle that are pro-2A, whereas BHA only forks over rhetoric and helps funnel campaign cash to progressive liberal candidates. 

Why isn't BHA rolling out wheelbarrow loads of support for GOP and Conservative candidates when the preponderance of hunters and anglers that use and love public backcountry are unquestionably right of center?  Answer: Because they're just a front group for the Democratic Party to garner more votes as I've already explained.  Follow the money trail.  Actions always betray what words try to portray.

We have two Democrats in this state that are vehemently pro-hunting and pro-2A. One in the Senate and one in the House.  We (sportsmen) have no stronger allies in our state's legislature when it comes to the issues important to us. Yes, they vote a little wonky on the rest of the issues, but are basically middle of the road moderates. They trip up the left's agenda all the time and the Democratic Party higher-ups absolutely HATE them for it and desperately wants to figure out how to run socialist Democrat challengers against them that can win both the primary and general.  Fortunately for us, they haven't yet found lefty candidates that are strong enough to do it.

[Bushcraft]

BHA is comprised of bi-partisan hunters and anglers...probably among the most hard-core hunters in the country.  Moderates from both parties are generally very supportive of them...and the support of hunters and bi-partisan politicians isn't the result of slick ads...its because they are on the right side of important policy issues when it comes to public lands and hunting.   

Yes.  I agree.  You're discussing this with far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives.  It's as foolish to try to bring them around as it would be if we were on an anti hunting forum.  The last poll we had showed a slight conservative tilt in membership, but BHA is most attractive to hunters and anglers near the middle.   

Don't waste your time and help them derail a thread about Rinella, who is arguably the most well spoken and mainstream public figure that the hunting community has to offer.

 

It's both hilarious and telling that you label us as "far right wing, fiercely partisan conservatives"...as if that's a bad thing.

We're actually just perfectly normal Americans with fiscally and socially responsible conservative values who utterly despise the progressive liberal socialist democrat ilk and their cancerously ruinous philosophies and legislative policies...that you evidently favor.

The United States of America became - and continues to be (in spite of the Democratic Party's ongoing efforts), the greatest nation on earth precisely because of the values we "fierce conservatives" hold dear.

[ctwiggs1]

@Bushcraft - do you have a list of politicians they've donated to?  I couldn't find it.  I'm not really arguing here, I'm just looking for more information.  I try to be very careful about where I spend my money, but I also try to make sure I'm doing my own research.

Thanks in advance

Curtis

[Bushcraft]

@Bushcraft - do you have a list of politicians they've donated to?  I couldn't find it.  I'm not really arguing here, I'm just looking for more information.  I try to be very careful about where I spend my money, but I also try to make sure I'm doing my own research.

Thanks in advance

Curtis

No problem at all Curtis.  I appreciate you wanting to know the facts.

Here's a link that will get you started: https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/