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Offline Bushcraft

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2019, 10:10:31 PM »
Openly admit I  have a low IQ ( ;)). Back on topic let's get down to raffle numbers.  They give an average joe a better than average chance to draw when compared to the general draw.

No question.
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Tbar,

I'm quick to apologize when it's warranted.

I spelled the facts of the matter out for you. Instead of coming up with a solid rebuttal you evidently thought it was easier to pick at a goat raffle scab that I've long since forgotten about.  Seriously, it's water under the bridge dude.

Anyway, if you want to publicly admit to having a low IQ like you did AND make anonymous thinly veiled threats about our paths crossing (and you're not anonymous BTW), then that's on you. Memorialize away.

In the meantime, and until the math indicates otherwise, I agree with you that there is no question that the odds are generally better in the raffle than they are in the general draw (special hunter permit applications).


Tbar, as a tribal member, why do you even care about the raffles?
I care about many things that aren't exclusive to tribal/ non tribal.  I also realize that my voice and impact has minimal effect on wildlife management and truly care that the hunting tradition and culture carries on regardless of which side you are on. Therefore I care about deviations from the model.  The further we distance ourselves from that the easier it'll be to end or severely limit hunting in this state, which we negatively impact all consumptive users. 

I respect that point of view as well. Absolutely.

What I don't have a whole lot of time or respect for are anonymous online forum posters that make thinly veiled threats.

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You know our paths will cross (again). You have alienated an ally,  just a fact. No need to call or sit down.  You do your best to represent your constituents and I will do likewise regardless of the stage. 

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2019, 06:33:32 AM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2019, 07:30:50 AM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

Lots of raffles where no whale is present this year it seems.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2019, 07:44:57 AM »
 :yeah:

From the numbers I have been seeing on the updates there are only three or four categories with a bunch of action depending on how you look at the numbers.

With that said I believe you are going to see a huge jump in at least one category this week.

I bought some tickets last week and this week.  The raffle tickets run consecutively.  You buy mule deer tickets and get number 120,421 and if you buy an elk ticket you next you get 120,422.  If someone buys a moose ticket after you they get 120,423.  If you buy a deer ticket 4 days later you could get 122,003 if that many other raffle tickets have been sold across all categories.

The difference in raffle ticket numbers this week was a jump of 3,000 from the ticket I bought 9 days ago.  Not sure what category or categories took a jump but someone bought a bunch of tickets in one or two categories is my guess. I highly doubt those 3,000 tickets were evenly spread over the 13 categories.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2019, 08:08:40 AM »
Here is some other 2018 raffle information for you to digest.  Purchasers is the number of people who bought a ticket in each category last year.  Tickets sold speaks for itself.  If they capped the sales to only one ticket per person you would definitely see revenue drop.

Category         Purchasers         Tickets
BT deer              222                 1094
West elk             358                 1977
Mule deer           509                 2516
WT deer             214                 1425
East elk              551                 6365
Goat                  310                  4482
Moose                842                  3676
NC combo          196                  7717
NE combo           296                 901
Sheep                344                  6734
SC combo           268                 4398
SE combo           148                  790
3 Deer               201                 1812
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2019, 08:12:42 AM »
Those are actually really interesting numbers, not many folks at all play the raffle game when you think about how many general tags they sell.  Those numbers are ALOT lower than I expected them to be.

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2019, 08:23:32 AM »
just updated

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2019, 08:24:37 AM »
 :yeah:  Seems some categories saw a good increase.   

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2019, 08:34:50 AM »
:yeah:  Seems some categories saw a good increase.

Makes sense, people wait to get their draw results before they jump into the raffle. 

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2019, 08:47:36 AM »
:yeah:  Seems some categories saw a good increase.
Yes but keep in mind those numbers show the jump in the last two weeks.  Numbers seemed to go up more but if you factor in that it is double the time of the last updates it's not as big of a jump.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2019, 09:54:42 AM »
:yeah:  Seems some categories saw a good increase.

Makes sense, people wait to get their draw results before they jump into the raffle.
:yeah:
And some wait to see what kind of racks are coming in.  See a giant in velvet, load up on raffle tickets.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2019, 10:07:30 AM »
I know that if you draw a raffle tag, you have buy an additional license.  Does this imply that in order to buy raffle permits you must have a valid license?

I didnt buy WA tags this year because its so spendy for non-residents so am I even eligible to buy raffle tickets?

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2019, 10:19:13 AM »
I know that if you draw a raffle tag, you have buy an additional license.  Does this imply that in order to buy raffle permits you must have a valid license?

I didnt buy WA tags this year because its so spendy for non-residents so am I even eligible to buy raffle tickets?

Yes, you are eligible to buy a raffle ticket as a non-resident.  I don't think you have to have bought a license beforehand, but I'm not 100% certain about that part.  Regardless, you have to make the raffle ticket purchase in person at a WDFW kiosk.  They are not sold online or over the phone.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2019, 10:28:31 AM »
I know that if you draw a raffle tag, you have buy an additional license.  Does this imply that in order to buy raffle permits you must have a valid license?

I didnt buy WA tags this year because its so spendy for non-residents so am I even eligible to buy raffle tickets?
You have to be eligible to buy a license, I believe that is just a hunting license.  There is no cost for the tag that you get as far as I know.

Raffle permit hunts
Proceeds from the sale of single-species raffle tickets will be used for the management and benefit of that species. Proceeds from the sale of multiple species raffle tickets will be used for general game management.

There is no limit on the number of tickets a person may purchase. Residents and non-residents are eligible to purchase tickets. Refunds are not available on raffle ticket purchases. The “Once in a Lifetime Harvest" restriction is waived for auction and raffle hunts. The winner of the deer and elk raffles may purchase an additional deer or elk license/tag for the general hunting season if they choose. If selected, any legal weapon may be used during the hunt.

One winner and two alternates will be drawn for each hunt. Each winner must be eligible to purchase a hunting license and will be issued the appropriate license and tag at no cost.

The drawing is done by computer and the winning ticket holder will be notified via phone and mail by mid-August. If you are selected for a multi-species raffle, a decision must be made as to which species you would like to hunt before your hunting license and tags will be issued by the department.

The first part in bold is saying if you win a deer or elk raffle you can still buy a regular deer or elk license if you want.  If you only want to harvest one animal under the raffle that you win that is at no cost according the second part in bold.

That's just the way I read it.  I am not a lawyer.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2019, 10:44:09 AM »
Gotcha, that interpretation makes sense to me.

 


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