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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2019, 12:07:31 PM »
I think they just mention those two because they are the most common.  In reality it applies to moose, sheep, goat, bear, cougar and turkey also.

Side note there is a rule that you can only harvest two elk in this state in a year.  So if you have a general elk tag you can harvest on that tag and one more. Second elk damage area, auction, raffle or incentive tags can't all be used.  Any combination of two can be used, after you fill two tags you are done.  Not sure why it is only on elk but that is what the rule is.  Deer I understand not being limited because one of the raffles is the three deer where you can harvest all three species just on one raffle win.  If you bought all of the auction deer tags and were really lucky in the raffles you could get a ton of deer in one year.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2019, 04:04:57 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

Lots of raffles where no whale is present this year it seems.

North Central Washington had a big jump early on and also had a big buyer last year. Is there a huge record book sheep or two running around  in that area?

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #77 on: July 01, 2019, 04:30:41 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

Lots of raffles where no whale is present this year it seems.

North Central Washington had a big jump early on and also had a big buyer last year. Is there a huge record book sheep or two running around  in that area?

Maybe the guy just likes to hunt close to home. ;)
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2019, 04:52:52 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

Lots of raffles where no whale is present this year it seems.

North Central Washington had a big jump early on and also had a big buyer last year. Is there a huge record book sheep or two running around  in that area?

Maybe the guy just likes to hunt close to home. ;)
:yeah:
You can hunt sheep in the Butte. You can hunt mule deer in the Chelan units with a rifle in December. You can hunt whitetail during the rut with a rifle.

Those are three once in a lifetime things with the current draw system. Most would be happy with one of those. All three in one year would be epic.
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #79 on: July 01, 2019, 05:34:11 PM »
Epic indeed!
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2019, 06:00:59 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

Lots of raffles where no whale is present this year it seems.

North Central Washington had a big jump early on and also had a big buyer last year. Is there a huge record book sheep or two running around  in that area?

Maybe the guy just likes to hunt close to home. ;)
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You can hunt sheep in the Butte. You can hunt mule deer in the Chelan units with a rifle in December. You can hunt whitetail during the rut with a rifle.

Those are three once in a lifetime things with the current draw system. Most would be happy with one of those. All three in one year would be epic.


Well...I guess I better buy some more tickets then...

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2019, 06:09:11 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

I knew if I posted that that they would finally after two plus weeks update the numbers. See how the system works? If you don't think this site is constantly monitored by WDFW you are as dumb as AOC.

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2019, 06:23:50 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

I knew if I posted that that they would finally after two plus weeks update the numbers. See how the system works? If you don't think this site is constantly monitored by WDFW you are as dumb as AOC.

Oh...they absolutely monitor this forum and others. Oftentimes through second-hand tattletales.

But, their ability to update the numbers in a timely manner has nothing to do with them wanting to make more money. It's literally a few key strokes and mouse clicks. Maybe five minutes of work that last time I called in.

Remember, the rank and file Olympia-based employees have absolutely nothing to gain (or lose) by the raffle bringing in a few thousand dollars more. It's a rounding error in their operating budget.  It's just laziness and/or incompetency born of knowing your government job is safe, regardless of how much you actually work.  Then too, and more aggravating, some of them no doubt reek of envy and jealousy and savor sticking it to people who have a higher disposable income than they do. 
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2019, 06:37:21 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

I knew if I posted that that they would finally after two plus weeks update the numbers. See how the system works? If you don't think this site is constantly monitored by WDFW you are as dumb as AOC.

Oh...they absolutely monitor this forum and others. Oftentimes through second-hand tattletales.

But, their ability to update the numbers in a timely manner has nothing to do with them wanting to make more money. It's literally a few key strokes and mouse clicks. Maybe five minutes of work that last time I called in.

Remember, the rank and file Olympia-based employees have absolutely nothing to gain (or lose) by the raffle bringing in a few thousand dollars more. It's a rounding error in their operating budget. It's just laziness and/or incompetency born of knowing your government job is safe, regardless of how much you actually work.  Then too, and more aggravating, some of them no doubt reek of envy and jealousy and savor sticking it to people who have a higher disposable income than they do.

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Really?
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2019, 06:41:40 PM »
I think it is more of a too few people being pulled in too many directions all at once.

Put out whatever fire is in front of them as they come up.
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2019, 07:26:43 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

I knew if I posted that that they would finally after two plus weeks update the numbers. See how the system works? If you don't think this site is constantly monitored by WDFW you are as dumb as AOC.

Oh...they absolutely monitor this forum and others. Oftentimes through second-hand tattletales.

But, their ability to update the numbers in a timely manner has nothing to do with them wanting to make more money. It's literally a few key strokes and mouse clicks. Maybe five minutes of work that last time I called in.

Remember, the rank and file Olympia-based employees have absolutely nothing to gain (or lose) by the raffle bringing in a few thousand dollars more. It's a rounding error in their operating budget.  It's just laziness and/or incompetency born of knowing your government job is safe, regardless of how much you actually work.  Then too, and more aggravating, some of them no doubt reek of envy and jealousy and savor sticking it to people who have a higher disposable income than they do.


Think about it...do you want to buy a raffle ticket where someone else has purchased 90 percent of the tickets and substantially increased the amount of tickets and lowered your drawing odds tremendously? The almighty dollar always rules and is always behind what you see from government run entities that exist on those dollars. I seriously doubt some clerk "forgot" to update the numbers in a timely manner especially when there are only two weeks to go and when they could update the numbers instantaneously like you say if they wanted. It's just not laziness and/or incompetency, its by design.

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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2019, 08:29:37 PM »
If they were smart AND good stewards of the publics resources they would not update the numbers until after the draw is complete...or not at all. 
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2019, 08:31:00 PM »
I think once a whale or two has made a major buy of tickets the WDFW slows the reports to avoid discouraging other buyers. Its all about the money.

I knew if I posted that that they would finally after two plus weeks update the numbers. See how the system works? If you don't think this site is constantly monitored by WDFW you are as dumb as AOC.

Oh...they absolutely monitor this forum and others. Oftentimes through second-hand tattletales.

But, their ability to update the numbers in a timely manner has nothing to do with them wanting to make more money. It's literally a few key strokes and mouse clicks. Maybe five minutes of work that last time I called in.

Remember, the rank and file Olympia-based employees have absolutely nothing to gain (or lose) by the raffle bringing in a few thousand dollars more. It's a rounding error in their operating budget.  It's just laziness and/or incompetency born of knowing your government job is safe, regardless of how much you actually work.  Then too, and more aggravating, some of them no doubt reek of envy and jealousy and savor sticking it to people who have a higher disposable income than they do.


Think about it...do you want to buy a raffle ticket where someone else has purchased 90 percent of the tickets and substantially increased the amount of tickets and lowered your drawing odds tremendously? The almighty dollar always rules and is always behind what you see from government run entities that exist on those dollars. I seriously doubt some clerk "forgot" to update the numbers in a timely manner especially when there are only two weeks to go and when they could update the numbers instantaneously like you say if they wanted. It's just not laziness and/or incompetency, its by design.

Oh trust me Pegasus, I've thought about it plenty.  :chuckle:

It all depends on how much money that 90% represents.  Take it to one extreme: If there is only one other ticket that has been purchased, anyone would lay down for 9 tickets to get 90%.  On the other hand, if someone has laid down $20K on an $6 raffle ticket, then there's no way in hell anyone would write a check for $180K.  Keep in mind, and this is critically important, that the maximum bet is strongly correlated to the cost of just doing the hunt somewhere else with a little premium thrown in for lots of scheduling flexibility and being able to do the hunt with your friends close to home.

Like nearly everyone else on planet Earth, I like having more money in my checking account than not. Accordingly, when I dabbled in the raffle a few years ago I didn't want to gamble any more money than necessary to get to owning twice as many raffle tickets as everyone else in the state combined.  That was the target threshold I was okay with doing, given the historical purchasing data, while keeping in mind what the best goat hunt in North America would have otherwise costed me. So, going in I knew that for every dollar someone else put in, I needed to put in two dollars in order to keep up...but only up to the point.

I would not have put in the last $6K (of $16K) had I not known that some others had thrown in at the very last minute. Instead of being able to simply hit the refresh button on my browser for the updated information, I was driving down the road headed for a backcountry goat counting trip in the Goat Rocks and literally had a last minute telephone conversation with my internal WDFW contact on the other end of the line before that person left for the weekend (who BTW was also frustrated that Licensing wasn't automatically releasing/updating that information in an orderly manner).  Had I not known the most up to date figures had bumped up considerably during the period of time that the numbers went unreported, I wouldn't have bought any more tickets from the nice lady working at the WDFW kiosk in Packwood's grocery store.

It's just that simple. And that would have been $6K less in revenue towards mountain goat conservation.


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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2019, 08:46:17 PM »
If they were smart AND good stewards of the publics resources they would not update the numbers until after the draw is complete...or not at all.

Wrong, on both accounts. At least you're consistent.

We already went through the basic math relating to the need to update the numbers. "Whales" or "Mr. Bigs" aren't going to play if they don't know what the odds are.  No odds, no whales...substantially less revenue. Not sure why you're having difficulty with the straightforward concept.

As to "not at all" posting the number of tickets purchased (that's how you wrote it), WDFW is a public agency and they work for us. Every bleeping dime and action is accountable and should be absolutely transparent, both on the inflows and outflows. To suggest otherwise is delving into big-government-knows-best-pinko-commie territory amigo. 
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Re: Raffle permit numbers.
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2019, 08:55:30 PM »
"I would not have put in the last $6K (of $16K) had I not known that some others had thrown in at the very last minute. Instead of being able to simply hit the refresh button on my browser for the updated information, I was driving down the road headed for a backcountry goat counting trip in the Goat Rocks and literally had a last minute telephone conversation with my internal WDFW contact on the other end of the line before that person left for the weekend (who BTW was also frustrated that Licensing wasn't automatically releasing/updating that information in an orderly manner).  Had I not known the most up to date figures had bumped up considerably during the period of time that the numbers went unreported, I wouldn't have bought any more tickets from the nice lady working at the WDFW kiosk in Packwood's grocery store."

So you admit that you were dealing on "inside information" that was not know to to the general public. So much for a "fair raffle". This calls for an investigation of the raffle that is engaged in illegal behavior. Thank you for your honesty. Will you testify in court as to what you have posted here?

 


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