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Koro rat trap?
« on: July 05, 2019, 10:39:37 AM »
Are they legal ?
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 11:18:51 AM »
In April I spoke with Eric Gardner Deputy Director for Wildlife. He told me yes. I spoke with Director Susewind about a week later and he told me yes they are legal and I could expect to receive a copy of a directive going to Enforcement Officers making this clear.
I have yet to receive anything in writing and yes I have sent numerous e-mails and left many voice mails about this to no avail. It seems Standard Operating Procedure at Olympia to never return calls or reply to e-mails. Very frustrating! I keep trying.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2019, 10:41:01 AM »
I spoke with Chief Bear this morning and there is another meeting regarding KORO rat traps Friday. I thought this was a done deal but apparently Enforcement is balking. Chief Bear says he has asked for guidance from the AGs office. This is the third time I have been told that so maybe this time they are actually doing it.
I should know more next week.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 08:09:05 PM »
I don’t know how you deal with them, I would’ve completely lost it by now.


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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2019, 10:22:54 AM »
More meetings so no one person holds a decision and takes responsibility.. Blame sharing is how it works to keep your job..  lol
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2019, 01:34:56 PM »
Still no luck getting a response to my inquiries. I think I can ambush them at the Commission meeting and put them on the spot.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2019, 05:44:27 PM »
Still no luck getting a response to my inquiries. I think I can ambush them at the Commission meeting and put them on the spot.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2019, 08:40:01 PM »
I now have a letter OKing the use of the KORO rat trap. It seems though the Department or at least some in it still want to put up a fight about it. We do have interim use but it looks like we will have to continue the pressure as they have telegraphed their intent to revisit the issue.
I'm attaching a memo I received from the Director to the Chief of Enforcement.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2019, 09:23:25 PM »
I now have a letter OKing the use of the KORO rat trap. It seems though the Department or at least some in it still want to put up a fight about it. We do have interim use but it looks like we will have to continue the pressure as they have telegraphed their intent to revisit the issue.
I'm attaching a memo I received from the Director to the Chief of Enforcement.
to bad it looks like they might try to change it soon? will the small version (the one allowed for now) kill a mink do you think?
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2019, 09:57:21 PM »
I now have a letter OKing the use of the KORO rat trap. It seems though the Department or at least some in it still want to put up a fight about it. We do have interim use but it looks like we will have to continue the pressure as they have telegraphed their intent to revisit the issue.
I'm attaching a memo I received from the Director to the Chief of Enforcement.
to bad it looks like they might try to change it soon? will the small version (the one allowed for now) kill a mink do you think?

I believe it will kill a mink. It is just a question of figuring out how to set the trap to get the proper strike. I have never caught a mink in one and it will take a little experimentation to see how to get them into the trap far enough. Plenty strong, if you can get them in far enough for a strike across the neck it would be lights out.
I have ideas but right now that's all they are.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2019, 10:49:27 AM »
So essentially we found a loophole that they’ll allow us to use until such time as they can close it?


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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2019, 11:15:00 AM »
I wouldn't be quite that pessimistic. It will undoubtedly come up but we will have a say, so it is not certain they will be successful in outlawing them.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2019, 04:54:38 PM »
I wouldn't be quite that pessimistic. It will undoubtedly come up but we will have a say, so it is not certain they will be successful in outlawing them.

Thanks Bruce appreciate all you do.


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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2019, 01:34:36 PM »
There are 2 sizes of these traps. They are both called rodent traps. (Large & small.) Are they both legal?
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2019, 04:40:12 PM »
There are 2 sizes of these traps. They are both called rodent traps. (Large & small.) Are they both legal?

No, Only the 3.5"x4" tall "Rodent" is legal. The "Large Rodent" is built and sold for muskrat and therefore not considered a "common rat trap". The letter from the Director is very specific to the 3.5"x 4" size.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2019, 04:56:34 PM »
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2019, 02:52:32 PM »
Has anyone tried adding a second spring? if so, I would like to know the best way.

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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2019, 04:15:09 AM »
I don't think there is room for an additional spring. 

It is a very strong, little rat trap.  Any critter that can fit inside the traps small frame will be dispatched without the need for additional strength.  The trap is meant to be placed in a box so the rodent has to enter from the front.  It is not meant to be a tunnel trap where the rodent runs through side to side.  Coming in from the front, the trap has passed foreign standards for humane dispatch.

If there is a weakness to this design it is in the trigger pan/dog.  It is not a very sensitive trap.  Often the target rodent will steal the bait off of several traps before tripping one.  I always gang set with two traps in a wire exclusion tunnel (one trap facing each direction).  I pulled one job yesterday.  2 of 4 traps had the bait stolen.  The 3rd trap had the culprit.

Picture came from a foreign site and depicts the use of the larger koro trap.  It's interesting that they use the larger trap in this box and then restrict the entrances down to a size that would be covered by the smaller trap. My exclusion boxes are made of wire but they are set up similar to this. 

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Re: Koro rat trap?
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2019, 09:05:38 AM »
Has anyone tried adding a second spring? if so, I would like to know the best way.

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I would caution anyone against doing anything more than minor modification. The law that encompasses these traps references "common rat and mouse traps". If we go modifying the traps they will no longer meet the definition of "common". IMO adding an additional spring will invalidate their categorization as a common rat trap.
I do believe the trigger needs to have something done with it in order to use it on animals like mink, marten, civit and muskrat. I have used them with the pan unmodified and they spring too early. The animal needs to get farther into the trap before they trigger or the jaw will hit them in the face and push them out of the trap.
If you cut about 1/2 the pan off they will get far enough into the trap to get a neck catch at least with civits. I have not used them on other animals and it will take some experimentation to see what works best.
As said above they need to be used in a box and oriented so the animal enters from the front. I do not think they need a second spring as they are very strong.

Next year the Department has registered their intent to make a rule defining "common rat and mouse trap". Please do not screw this up for us by trying to make this into a trap it is not. Very minor modification is as far as we dare go.
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