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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #90 on: August 14, 2019, 11:45:19 PM »
Where this raise in price may backfire is in the sale of leftover tags.  And with the raise in price, there may be more of them to start with.  A lot of Idaho resident hunters buy leftover non resident tags for a second tag, after they tag out, at non resident prices, especially deer tags. A large raise in price could make many reconsider.
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2019, 05:46:36 AM »
I think it is the sudden leap in pricing for youth tags specifically that is making folks bitter. Gradual increases are expected and make sense to keep up with inflation and/or fund programs related to the cost.

This feels more money-grabbing to me and that doesn't come from a sense of entitlement, just my perspective.

I do agree that non-resident tags are probably going to be easier to pick up later in the year and I'm not mad about that aspect of it. I wonder if that is the goal here? Same amount of cash coming in but having tags available unlike the last few years?
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2019, 06:01:53 AM »
but deer didnt really jump that much. The $80 archery fee is ridiculous

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2019, 07:32:19 AM »
The $80 archery fee is ridiculous

Agreed, my understanding is, it is a self inflicted pain requested by the archery folks many moons ago.
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2019, 08:23:04 AM »
I think it is the sudden leap in pricing for youth tags specifically that is making folks bitter. Gradual increases are expected and make sense to keep up with inflation and/or fund programs related to the cost.

This feels more money-grabbing to me and that doesn't come from a sense of entitlement, just my perspective.

I do agree that non-resident tags are probably going to be easier to pick up later in the year and I'm not mad about that aspect of it. I wonder if that is the goal here? Same amount of cash coming in but having tags available unlike the last few years?
IDFG is going to start restricting NR elk tags in general units to 10% of the 5 year average...there are some popular units where NR's were getting 25-30% of the tags.  In order to make that revenue neutral, they are raising the prices.  So - the goal is not about having tags available for more of the year...its about reducing overall tags and NR hunters in the state and doing it in a revenue neutral way.
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2019, 09:49:37 AM »
As a hunter who has lived in both states, and still hunts both regularly, I hate to defend any kind of price hike, but Idaho has been a "bargain" as far as western states go, especially with general seasons...it is now more in-line with other western states, but still offers an over the counter, general season tag unlike some neighboring (MT) states that you must get drawn for just to get a general season tag.

I don't agree with raising the youth or vet tags as that simply doesn't make any sense...those programs are not like general season purchasers...they are to get youth afield and to help get disabled vets afield, period. Why raise their prices? If anything give the disabled NR vet the opportunity to buy a lifetime resident license and offer resident tag prices...they became disabled defending our ENTIRE country, including Idaho. The kid from the Bronx, NY was injured defending the USA, not just the Bronx.

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2019, 09:52:53 AM »
As a hunter who has lived in both states, and still hunts both regularly, I hate to defend any kind of price hike, but Idaho has been a "bargain" as far as western states go, especially with general seasons...it is now more in-line with other western states, but still offers an over the counter, general season tag unlike some neighboring (MT) states that you must get drawn for just to get a general season tag.

I don't agree with raising the youth or vet tags as that simply doesn't make any sense...those programs are not like general season purchasers...they are to get youth afield and to help get disabled vets afield, period. Why raise their prices? If anything give the disabled NR vet the opportunity to buy a lifetime resident license and offer resident tag prices...they became disabled defending our ENTIRE country, including Idaho. The kid from the Bronx, NY was injured defending the USA, not just the Bronx.

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2019, 11:03:45 AM »
Why not extend  the benefit to any veteran?

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2019, 01:15:30 PM »
The commission approved the agency proposed legislation requesting fee increases.  It now goes to the legislature for approval...can't imagine they will not pass this.
Who thinks an increase from $93 to $553 for Non-resident Junior/DAV deer and elk tag/license is a good idea :bash:  Yes it was a great deal while it lasted.
I think you answered your own question...it was so far below market price that it would be almost negligent for them not to raise prices.
if profiting off of children is the goal then yes you are correct. But once again I'll argue that in the long run you alienate future customers and further hurt the heritage of hunting. Our numbers are dwindling at an alarming rate but our fish and game agencies just keep doubling down. But hey screw those NR hunters who fund 90% of our game agencies that allow us residents low tag costs, and those NR that dump MILLIONS into our local economies  :rolleyes:

Completely agree on the junior tags.  I've taken some of my cousin's out over the years, because their dad doesn't hunt.  There's no way it's happening at those prices.

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2019, 01:55:08 PM »
 :yeah:  I agree, Idaho is making a poor decision here. Anyone notice how almost all kids are addicted to tablets these days? If anything they should make it easier for the kids to get afield, resident or nonresident.  :twocents:

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #100 on: August 15, 2019, 04:00:20 PM »
Under exceptional conditions a big game hunter is fortunate to pull the trigger once every two years.

For many beginning youth hunters in today’s world of instant gratification, that’s an eternity.

I believe that states would be more successful in attracting and retaining youth hunters if there was greater opportunity and emphasis on small game and upland bird hunting. Unfortunately, much of the upland bird hunting opportunities that Washington and other Western states had 40 years ago have disappeared or been greatly diminished.

A good middle ground might be turkey hunting. Hunters usually see game, and have shots much more frequently than they would hunting deer or elk.
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #101 on: August 15, 2019, 04:46:18 PM »
Under exceptional conditions a big game hunter is fortunate to pull the trigger once every two years.

For many beginning youth hunters in today’s world of instant gratification, that’s an eternity.

I believe that states would be more successful in attracting and retaining youth hunters if there was greater opportunity and emphasis on small game and upland bird hunting. Unfortunately, much of the upland bird hunting opportunities that Washington and other Western states had 40 years ago have disappeared or been greatly diminished.

A good middle ground might be turkey hunting. Hunters usually see game, and have shots much more frequently than they would hunting deer or elk.

Actually, what's needed it's longer seasons and Idaho provided that.  Much better experiences when you've got 7-14 weekends to deer hunt rather than 2.  Allows you to work around bad weather etc...

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #102 on: August 15, 2019, 05:45:53 PM »
I agree with both.  Duck hunting is great for kids as would be a 10 week youth deer season.

I would be happy to hang up my rifle if it meant more kids were drawn to hunting.

I have a 16 and 11 year old that are more grounded than most and I can tell you hunting and fishing don’t have the draw they did when we were young.  There are so many more things top of mind.

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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #103 on: August 15, 2019, 06:08:36 PM »
A number of folks are disappointed that Idaho is not more generously subsidizing non-resident youth and disabled veterans big game tags...having them pay ~1/2 price is apparently greedy of Idahoans.  However, I'm not hearing what sacrifices these same folks would like to see Washington make in the name of youth hunter recruitment and appreciation of veterans?

A few have stated that there is really no quality hunting in WA general big game seasons...but there certainly are quality hunts available.  So, why not set aside all quality elk and deer permits and all moose, sheep, goat tags and all current raffle and auction tags for youth (including non-residents - as there are kids in Idaho that would also like Swakane sheep tags and dayton bull tags)?  This would be at least 1,000 tags...and to be eligible you have to be a kid or a disabled veteran.  Obviously there would still not be enough tags to give to every kid and disabled veteran a hunt every year - but it would be much, much higher proportion of kids and disabled veterans getting quality experiences. 
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Re: Idaho Commission Meeting
« Reply #104 on: August 15, 2019, 06:21:34 PM »
Non resident disabled veterans pay washington resident prices and non resident youth pay washington youth resident prices :tup:
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