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Other than lining peoples pockets with ill gotten gains I have never been able to understand the idea behind wolf introduction.
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I guess I'm failing to see the point of the article? I think every one of us here, without a biology degree could have predicted exactly what happened before they did it.
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Common sense falls on deaf ears when it comes to wildlife management, but a failed experiment like this by a state agency carries weight when cited to support an argument.  :twocents:
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Those wolves would still be alive if the island had ranches stocked with cattle for the wolves.

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Those wolves would still be alive if the island had ranches stocked with cattle for the wolves.

 :chuckle:  so true

and especially if WDFW was managing them...
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Thanks for the link.  I enjoyed reading what seemed as unbiased biology. 

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Surprised somebody didnt fly in cattle with a Helo and drop them to the poor wolfs.  :o
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Thanks for the link.  I enjoyed reading what seemed as unbiased biology.

I agree with that. It is very clear unbiased description of what happened, and how quickly it happened.
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Common sense falls on deaf ears when it comes to wildlife management, but a failed experiment like this by a state agency carries weight when cited to support an argument.  :twocents:

I dont think our bios or their managers are as stupid as their actions would suggest, more to the point I believe their methods are netting the desired results.  I honestly believe the agenda sees the wolf problem as a tool used effectively to bring us to the point where wdfw needs to protect certain ungulate herds, one by one until there is no longer a hunting season.  End hunting, take guns.  Its where we're going no doubt in my mind.

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Re: When biologists stocked a deer-heavy Southeast Alaska island with wolves
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2019, 07:42:44 PM »
I agree 100% that is the true agenda. End hunting and then total gun confiscation.

They are a truly threatening force that has to be delt with.
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Re: When biologists stocked a deer-heavy Southeast Alaska island with wolves
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2019, 07:55:00 PM »
I can think of one way that you could fix that. If you married into a certain culture and you are 1/1000 of that blood line then you would be untouchable. And you could keep your guns. This idea could get me in trouble?

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Re: When biologists stocked a deer-heavy Southeast Alaska island with wolves
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2019, 08:50:02 PM »
"Common Sense" has been mentioned here a few times!   Common sense and government is an oxymoron!

The two will never mingle together!   It been indoctrinated out of people who attend higher indoctrination centers!!
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Re: When biologists stocked a deer-heavy Southeast Alaska island with wolves
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2019, 09:02:04 PM »
Common sense falls on deaf ears when it comes to wildlife management, but a failed experiment like this by a state agency carries weight when cited to support an argument.  :twocents:

I dont think our bios or their managers are as stupid as their actions would suggest, more to the point I believe their methods are netting the desired results.  I honestly believe the agenda sees the wolf problem as a tool used effectively to bring us to the point where wdfw needs to protect certain ungulate herds, one by one until there is no longer a hunting season.  End hunting, take guns.  Its where we're going no doubt in my mind.


I don't think it's so much about taking guns, but more in line with locking up public lands, the Wildlands Project comes to mind. Uncontrolled wolves will eventually ruin ranching on public and private lands, and eventually end hunting also. Getting grazing permits canceled and no hunting, not much stands in the way. We have seen the road closures over the years and it seems to be getting worse. Bring in the grizzly bears which will shut off huge chunks for  bear recovery, and pretty quick we will be boxed.

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Wolves in Vail story, 1960?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2019, 11:12:56 AM »
I've posted this more than once.
Back in the early 60's a family friend named William Brashers owned a farm in the Ball Hills area of Thurston County as an investment.  He rented out the farm to a family who raised some beef and replacement heifers. The area is just north of the Vail Tree Farm.  One winter (late 60's) the renter had a livestock kill and called the game department to complain about the "wolfs" that took down a heifer. He was assured there was no such critter in Washington State, and should it occur again feel free to protect his property and shoot the coyote or coydog doing the damage. 

I don't remember who shot it, but I do remember being told that a game warder looked over a dead timber wolf in the back of a pickup truck at the Wolf's Market parking lot.  The story as I (grad school age) remember it was that the wolf was identified as an eastern timber wolf.  It had to have been imported. I recall no effort being made by the game department to protect them then as they were considered a non native species, and addressed as any destructive dog would have been; if it's attacking livestock stock, shoot it.  A lot of fingers pointed to Weyerhaeuser as a way to drop deer browsing damage in the Vail unit.

I admit it's all hearsay since I never saw a wolf myself.  Anyone else old enough on this thread to remember this story?


 


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