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Offline Oh Mah

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2019, 04:52:13 PM »
Hydrogen and helium are the lightest known gasses,so please tell us again how we are destroying our ozone when a helium balloon can only go 20 miles up (because the air becomes lighter than the hydrogen and helium) and 90% of our ozone layer is at and above 30 miles.Like Newton said "what goes up must come down"

valcanoes around the world have been going off non stop for over 2 years dumping lava into the oceans(slowly heating the ocean waters)(building islands like hawaii) people don't come close to the carbon emitted from the valcano's.

the air tested by these groups is tested at a lab built in hawaii about 20 miles from the valcano.


The earth has been through periods of warming and periods of cooling since the beginning of time and will continue long after we are all gone.

The biggest is the ice sheets the size of Rhode Island falling into the ocean,Well the ice has always and always will move toward sea level.What do you think happens when a large object hanging over the ocean reaches a point where the thickness of the ice can no longer bare the weight of itself..........oh that's right gravity takes over and it falls into the ocean,As it has done since the beginning of the end of the ice age.  :tup:
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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2019, 04:55:45 PM »
The Earth doesn't rotate around the sun in a perfect circle but rather a wobbly out of centric circle,  some some decades the rotation is closer to the sun than at other periods.

The sun isn't a giant consistent ball of fire, it waxes and wains in big cycles, cools off then heats up with a flurry of activity again



There's a whole myriad of factors that play into the average global temperatures,  at one time in our history there were no ice caps at all and the whole world was one giant steamy jungle with a massive amount of life on land.
exactly look to MILONKOVITCH CYCLES IN WIKI.
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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2019, 05:10:25 PM »
I have read our very own Olympic Peninsula was once upon a time a very arid pine forest.......that being said, I believe in many ways man is hastening global warming, air quality, and destruction of habitat of various types.

Natural global warming ( man out of the equation), comes and goes over the centuries.  Evidence of current global warming and the effects of mans dalliances in virtually everything, brings the trend front and center for those who would be willing to blame it on something specific, aligning it with either an agenda or for profit. 

Depopulization is a subject out of the main stream, but there none the less.  Addressing the needs of say half as many people on this planet would have  far less impact on air, water, and ecosystems that are over burdened today.

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2019, 05:27:40 PM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html

CO2 causing our current warming is a theory that is poorly supported by raw data as the earths climate is so complex. I would like to congratulate anyone that believes the CO2 theory is a proven fact.

You just flunked 3rd grade science..

lol

We could do an experiment.  Go out to your garage and shut all the doors and windows and light a candle. See how long it takes for the air quality to decrease.

After a day or so start your lawn mower and see how long it takes for the air quality to decrease.

invite a handful of your friends over and have them bring their mowers....All of the sudden the "hockey stick" graph might get a little more real

then put seven and a half billion people on our planet and tell him to have at it.... It's ridiculous to think we don't have an impact on the climate of our planet. We may not know the ramifications, but its shocking that anyone could say with a straight face that we are not impacting the Earth's 1) air quality and 2) climate

That's a fun little experiment that has no bearing on the question.  Add a few billion trees, open the doors, add a giant heat sink of a few billion gallons of water, and you've still innacurately modeled the climate. Thanks for the side show.
We can toss your house plant in there if it helps 😁

I'm curious what sorts of things would concern climate change deniers.  Let's put aside all of the Doomsday scenarios and focus on things that might impact you already.

Is air quality and hazardous fallout a concern?  Are emissions concerning to you?

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2019, 06:31:52 PM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html

CO2 causing our current warming is a theory that is poorly supported by raw data as the earths climate is so complex. I would like to congratulate anyone that believes the CO2 theory is a proven fact.

You just flunked 3rd grade science..

lol

We could do an experiment.  Go out to your garage and shut all the doors and windows and light a candle. See how long it takes for the air quality to decrease.

After a day or so start your lawn mower and see how long it takes for the air quality to decrease.

invite a handful of your friends over and have them bring their mowers....All of the sudden the "hockey stick" graph might get a little more real

then put seven and a half billion people on our planet and tell him to have at it.... It's ridiculous to think we don't have an impact on the climate of our planet. We may not know the ramifications, but its shocking that anyone could say with a straight face that we are not impacting the Earth's 1) air quality and 2) climate

That's a fun little experiment that has no bearing on the question.  Add a few billion trees, open the doors, add a giant heat sink of a few billion gallons of water, and you've still innacurately modeled the climate. Thanks for the side show.
We can toss your house plant in there if it helps 😁

I'm curious what sorts of things would concern climate change deniers.  Let's put aside all of the Doomsday scenarios and focus on things that might impact you already.

Is air quality and hazardous fallout a concern?  Are emissions concerning to you?

The biggest thing that impacts people on this subject is not going against the grain of their political party....its really scary

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2019, 06:46:09 PM »
I'm curious what sorts of things would concern climate change deniers.  Let's put aside all of the Doomsday scenarios and focus on things that might impact you already.

Is air quality and hazardous fallout a concern?  Are emissions concerning to you?

Lots of things that have nothing to do with the unproven theory of man-caused climate change.

Forest management. Water quality. Air quality.  Urban defecation and hypodermic needles as landscaping.

For doomsday scenarios, magnetic reversal, surprise asteroids, and Yellowstone eruption are more concerning than less warming than pre-industrialization warming, none of which scenarios come prepackaged with socialist utopian control fantasies, so we don't talk about them.

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 07:09:55 PM »
First off no one should want or put up with people purposely messing up our environment.

That said c-mon even you have to admit that some of these rules and regs are stupid at best.....DON'T DRIVE THROUGH THE CREEKS IT WILL DESTROY THE SALMON BEDS.  :chuckle: :chuckle: Like the annual floods don't tear up the creeks.

Don't cut any trees down we need them and the animals need them... first off the animals need clearings for food growth,The only animals that want wall to wall trees are predators.Also they want to leave the trees but yet we have forest fires that get out of control and burn 1000's of acres every year.

THESE GROUPS CAUSE FAR MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD IN EVERY PLACE THEY INTERFERE.Seals,wolves,blocking logging'etc   :twocents:
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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 07:59:10 PM »
It's obviously the chem-trails.
Look man, some times you just gotta roll the dice

So many free days, so few fish....  Wait, I changed my mind.  Maybe the best season ever on PS.

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2019, 09:53:57 AM »
Leaving aside the contentious issue of whether man-made CO2 is an actual problem, let's look at some costs and opportunity costs of some popular proposed solutions.

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One doesn’t have to look far today to find examples of a left-wing politician proposing a plan to regulate the use of carbon fuels out of existence. Earlier this month, Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released a plan calling for the United States to achieve 100 percent clean energy within the next 10 years by spending $3 trillion in federal money and forcing “additional trillions” in private sector spending through increased regulation and higher mandates.

The real cost of “decarbonizing” our economy is far more severe than many politicians on the Left are prepared to admit. Setting financial costs aside, renewable energy sources alone simply cannot meet the U.S. electrical grid’s ongoing baseload requirements (i.e., the minimum level of demand on a given grid over 24 hours).

In essence, plans like Warren’s not only would bankrupt the country but would literally plunge us into darkness given that no energy technology exists (or is likely to exist any time soon) to meet their arbitrary deadlines and demands.

. . .

The aggregate power production numbers make it quite clear that plants burning fossil fuels and using nuclear power not only provide the vast majority of total power generation in the United States—about 83 percent in 2018⁠—they (along with a small contribution from hydropower) also provide nearly all of the critical baseload power generation. Government-subsidized and mandated alternative energy sources provide only intermittent power that can help to meet peak demand at certain times.

. . .

The obvious danger of absurd policy edicts such as Warren’s proposal is that critical and reliable baseload power-producing plants necessarily would be shuttered without technology on the horizon that could replace them. Because policymakers like Warren are rarely, if ever, forced to face the facts of power generation by reporters, they can throw out deadlines and edicts without any real fear of being called to account.

https://www.amgreatness.com/2019/09/17/the-real-cost-of-decarbonizing-the-economy/


While China remains free to power its economy and society at will.


Somebody likes China, presumably including their central planning, slave labor, religious persecution, human organ harvesting, and other human rights "triumphs."

https://www.nysun.com/national/elizabeth-warren-praising-communist-china-as/87918/

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/elizabeth-warren-praises-red-china-whole-of-government-strategy-against-nkorea/

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2019, 07:20:42 PM »
We should probably roll back all those pesky expensive rules about clean energy and renewable resources (cause those lightbulbs make him look orange) and stick with the status quo to keep the oil, coal, and gas folks happy. 

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2019, 08:02:57 PM »
Because that makes about as much sense as destroying the economy for a non-problem? 

Although I agree with you about incandescent bulbs, crummy low flow toilets, and gas cans.  Central planners could screw up a wet dream.


Make gas cans great again.

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2019, 08:37:54 PM »
Ah- that's right.  That's where we disagree- with the "non problem" of using fossil fuels as fast as we can when there are alternatives.

Development of alternative power would devastate the economy about like development of coal and oil did... Except the folks that count on coal and oil would have to get re trained....unless they own the company, then it might cost them.

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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2019, 05:18:52 AM »
"Government-subsidized and mandated alternative energy sources provide only intermittent power that can help to meet peak demand at certain times.

. . .

The obvious danger of absurd policy edicts such as Warren’s proposal is that critical and reliable baseload power-producing plants necessarily would be shuttered without technology on the horizon that could replace them. Because policymakers like Warren are rarely, if ever, forced to face the facts of power generation by reporters, they can throw out deadlines and edicts without any real fear of being called to account."


The jig is up.  It is time to reveal these secret, reliable alternate power sources that promise to replace existing baseload power generation, such as coal, oil, and natural gas do.  That or It's time to admit that no such sources exist.

Make your choice.
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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
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Re: Climate change deniers should be happy
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2019, 08:00:34 AM »

The jig is up.  It is time to reveal these secret, reliable alternate power sources that promise to replace existing baseload power generation, such as coal, oil, and natural gas do.  That or It's time to admit that no such sources exist.

Make your choice.
:rolleyes: I'm unclear if you're proposing anything or just finding problems with any potential solutions.  It seems like your only proposal is to continue with the same dirty technology and continue to mine coal, oil and gas without exploring other options. 

There is no simple solution, or cheap one (including the status quo) that will meet everyone's needs.  I think the obvious first step is to conserve energy wherever we can, and find ways to make our current power grid more efficient, including long term plans for hydro, wind, and solar development and maintenance.  We should also continue to regulate industry that has the potential to pollute our air and water.  They're not going to spend money to scrub their emissions without Gov regulations and we need to make sure it happens.

As much as I hate regulations, they exist for a reason. 




 


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