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I have sent emails to wdfw requesting increased lion hunting opportunity
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Author Topic: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020  (Read 18652 times)

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #180 on: February 06, 2020, 11:09:48 PM »
Anybody tell me what the number in parenthesis in Options 3 and 4 of the unit quotas mean?

“Assumed Cougar density per 100 sq km.”


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Thank you, I wonder why some units have such a high number but most have 1.91.

The way  I read it all  of the 4 options have the same exact seasons.
1 counts all cats toward the quota
2 counts only adults
3 counts all cats toward the quota but holds out the possibility of increased quota for units that exceed the quota in the early season
4 counts only adults toward the quota but holds out the possibility of increased quota for units that exceed the quota in the early season.

I have to go with option 4. That being said of the units I know that exceeded the quota in the past I see no evidence of the following through and adding to the quota.
I believe Bango  already pointed this out.

Anybody tell me what the number in parenthesis in Options 3 and 4 of the unit quotas mean?

Do you see any option that has the possibility of an significant increase in harvest? I see some that might have an edge but only the possibility of reducing increases in population, and not by a bunch.  keep in mind only 1/3 of harvest they belive is juvenile.

Significant? I don't think they have any intention to do that.
I think Option 4 has the potential to increase the harvest the most but DFW has to be true to increasing the harvest where  there are proven problems. I'm skeptical.
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #181 on: February 07, 2020, 05:23:10 AM »
Now that I've read the proposal a little more can see these are all new options .

Why are they even changing ,why not just raise quotas where scientifically we have a problem amount of cougar.
One and done. :dunno:
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #182 on: February 07, 2020, 11:59:51 AM »
Now that I've read the proposal a little more can see these are all new options .

Why are they even changing ,why not just raise quotas where scientifically we have a problem amount of cougar.
One and done. :dunno:

I myself don't get it. Cougar numbers have exploded over the last 20 years in this state and even more so in specific areas of the state, like I have mentioned before about the Methow, they are walking down main streets, living under peoples porches, bridges etc. They are killing peoples livestock and pets in increasing numbers over the last 20 years, along with the deer herd being decimated. Sightings are occurring at increasing rates and encounters with humans are increasing. Folks who work, recreate and spend a lot of time in the hills of this valley have seen with their own eyes the growth in numbers of lions. Many I know and myself also, no longer hike, scout or walk in the hills any more without a sidearm, most I know that live in the valley won't even walk their property or walk to their barns without a gun nowadays. Raising quotas would be the absolute right thing and best thing to do in certain areas of this state and it could and should have been done yesterday. Instead they would rather take years and hundreds of thousands of tax payers money to drag out study after study when in reality, in parts of this state, all they need to do is open their eyes to whats happening and open their ears to what people are seeing and experiencing. Decimated deer herds over the last 20 years, livestock and pet attacks on the rise, people killing them under decks and in barns, more and more encounters etc. etc. etc. LIONS HAVE BECOME A PROBLEM! It doesn't take hundreds of thousands of our dollars in drawn out studies to figure this out. All its doing is justifying jobs for folks who really don't seem to care about the hunters and sportsmen/women of this state, and as far as our deer and elk herds, heck, it seems they are just food sources for the predators of this state anymore. The lion issues in this state need to be aggressively addressed, most know this and the ones that don't know it yet, will eventually know it ... :twocents:.....sorry for the rant.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #183 on: February 07, 2020, 12:11:02 PM »
Now that I've read the proposal a little more can see these are all new options .

Why are they even changing ,why not just raise quotas where scientifically we have a problem amount of cougar.
One and done. :dunno:

I myself don't get it. Cougar numbers have exploded over the last 20 years in this state and even more so in specific areas of the state, like I have mentioned before about the Methow, they are walking down main streets, living under peoples porches, bridges etc. They are killing peoples livestock and pets in increasing numbers over the last 20 years, along with the deer herd being decimated. Sightings are occurring at increasing rates and encounters with humans are increasing. Folks who work, recreate and spend a lot of time in the hills of this valley have seen with their own eyes the growth in numbers of lions. Many I know and myself also, no longer hike, scout or walk in the hills any more without a sidearm, most I know that live in the valley won't even walk their property or walk to their barns without a gun nowadays. Raising quotas would be the absolute right thing and best thing to do in certain areas of this state and it could and should have been done yesterday. Instead they would rather take years and hundreds of thousands of tax payers money to drag out study after study when in reality, in parts of this state, all they need to do is open their eyes to whats happening and open their ears to what people are seeing and experiencing. Decimated deer herds over the last 20 years, livestock and pet attacks on the rise, people killing them under decks and in barns, more and more encounters etc. etc. etc. LIONS HAVE BECOME A PROBLEM! It doesn't take hundreds of thousands of our dollars in drawn out studies to figure this out. All its doing is justifying jobs for folks who really don't seem to care about the hunters and sportsmen/women of this state, and as far as our deer and elk herds, heck, it seems they are just food sources for the predators of this state. The lion issues in this state need to be aggressively addressed, most know this and the ones that don't know it yet, will eventually know it ... :twocents:.....sorry for the rant.

Theyre still stuck on this "12-16% to maintain the population" nonsense.  What will it take to get it through their heads that that hasnt been working, and the population has been rapidly increasing rather than remaining stable?  What we NEED right now is a significant decrease in the lion population, not a maintenance-level harvest.  Apparently our crashing herds arent enough for them to figure that out.  Apparently the flood of citizen complaints arent enough for them to figure that out.  Apparently the fact that between stevens / p.o. / spokane and lincoln counties, one team of houndsmen killed 69 depredating lions last year.  Thats about one every 5 days, year round!!!  This is indicative of a serious problem!  Either everybody at wdfw has a 65 iq, or they know damn good and well what is going on, and they refuse to address the issue because its "politically volatile" and theyre all a bunch of damn cowards who would rather just keep kicking the can down the road and pretending everything is okay rather than doing what needs to be done and accepting the fact that it will piss certain types off.  The decline of our herds, every attack on pets and livestock, the woman who was killed riding her bike a year or so back, the next person to get killed...  the blame lies on the shoulders of the negligent cowards at wdfw who allow this problem to continue and get worse every day, just so they can avoid any type of political conflict.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #184 on: February 07, 2020, 02:22:09 PM »
Now that I've read the proposal a little more can see these are all new options .

Why are they even changing ,why not just raise quotas where scientifically we have a problem amount of cougar.
One and done. :dunno:

I myself don't get it. Cougar numbers have exploded over the last 20 years in this state and even more so in specific areas of the state, like I have mentioned before about the Methow, they are walking down main streets, living under peoples porches, bridges etc. They are killing peoples livestock and pets in increasing numbers over the last 20 years, along with the deer herd being decimated. Sightings are occurring at increasing rates and encounters with humans are increasing. Folks who work, recreate and spend a lot of time in the hills of this valley have seen with their own eyes the growth in numbers of lions. Many I know and myself also, no longer hike, scout or walk in the hills any more without a sidearm, most I know that live in the valley won't even walk their property or walk to their barns without a gun nowadays. Raising quotas would be the absolute right thing and best thing to do in certain areas of this state and it could and should have been done yesterday. Instead they would rather take years and hundreds of thousands of tax payers money to drag out study after study when in reality, in parts of this state, all they need to do is open their eyes to whats happening and open their ears to what people are seeing and experiencing. Decimated deer herds over the last 20 years, livestock and pet attacks on the rise, people killing them under decks and in barns, more and more encounters etc. etc. etc. LIONS HAVE BECOME A PROBLEM! It doesn't take hundreds of thousands of our dollars in drawn out studies to figure this out. All its doing is justifying jobs for folks who really don't seem to care about the hunters and sportsmen/women of this state, and as far as our deer and elk herds, heck, it seems they are just food sources for the predators of this state. The lion issues in this state need to be aggressively addressed, most know this and the ones that don't know it yet, will eventually know it ... :twocents:.....sorry for the rant.

Theyre still stuck on this "12-16% to maintain the population" nonsense.  What will it take to get it through their heads that that hasnt been working, and the population has been rapidly increasing rather than remaining stable?  What we NEED right now is a significant decrease in the lion population, not a maintenance-level harvest.  Apparently our crashing herds arent enough for them to figure that out.  Apparently the flood of citizen complaints arent enough for them to figure that out.  Apparently the fact that between stevens / p.o. / spokane and lincoln counties, one team of houndsmen killed 69 depredating lions last year.  Thats about one every 5 days, year round!!!  This is indicative of a serious problem!  Either everybody at wdfw has a 65 iq, or they know damn good and well what is going on, and they refuse to address the issue because its "politically volatile" and theyre all a bunch of damn cowards who would rather just keep kicking the can down the road and pretending everything is okay rather than doing what needs to be done and accepting the fact that it will piss certain types off.  The decline of our herds, every attack on pets and livestock, the woman who was killed riding her bike a year or so back, the next person to get killed...  the blame lies on the shoulders of the negligent cowards at wdfw who allow this problem to continue and get worse every day, just so they can avoid any type of political conflict.

 :yeah:......well said Bango........Like I have said many times, this whole cougar explosion and the screwy numbers they keep putting out and expect us to believe is a big ol powder keg and more and more unfortunate encounters involving humans are going to happen and with that more and more tragic encounters like the women on the bike are going to happen. Places like the Methow where more and more people are vacationing, recreating and moving to is where the fuse to the powder keg is becoming very short. I know this whole fiasco is political driven and when unfortunately a little kid is snatched from their back yard or off a trail while hiking with their family I hope someone within the Department stands up and admits something drastic should have been done years ago to drastically thin lion populations........ya right!... :bash:



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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #185 on: February 07, 2020, 06:19:21 PM »
You guys make too much sense. You'll never get a job in government that way.
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #186 on: February 18, 2020, 01:57:37 PM »
Here is a video of the options.

http://chewelahindependent.com/wdfw-unveils-four-options-to-change-cougar-management/?fbclid=IwAR2f6YRNp8FwQywVIzR_3SnON5fIsjyd5cqe_rvnK-UJYC4FUacE-ydVC6I

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #187 on: February 18, 2020, 02:29:28 PM »
  I’m still convinced this is really their desired outcome. If predators go through the roof and all of the ungulates basically go extinct they will have no need for us the hunter anymore. Which will also give them another great reason why we don’t need guns anymore.  Then instead of collecting money for tags and licenses they will just pay the hired contractors to take care of the predators after they have eaten a child or two. So I guess the question really is, how do I get on their list to be a contract killer? I’m sure this will be the only way I will be allowed to hunt or even own a gun one day.  Well that is of course if Everything continues to play out the way they would like it to

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #188 on: February 18, 2020, 07:02:00 PM »
There's only one hope for hunting in Washington, and that's to break the state in half.  The joke needs to become reality, and create a state from Eastern Washington and Northeastern Oregon. 

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #189 on: February 18, 2020, 08:20:12 PM »
I have sent a few emails lately to WDFW various people.
They won't admit that the 4pt min created surplus deer.Even though harvest reports "science" says there was.In return created explosive amount of predators.All the surplus deer where harvested 2015-2016 now we are left with the predators.The percent of common sense at WDFW is about zero.

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For district 1 is fawn survival rate is 98 percent that's a hard pill for me to take.And every doe gets bread every year..When I see numbers like that ,nothing that lives in these woods have a 98 percent survival rate.When you start look in at the numbers and talking to people at WDFW you couldn't believe in the amount of stupidity and lack of common sense.They believe in the "science" so much ,It's like talking to a rock.
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2020, 08:35:33 AM »
There's only one hope for hunting in Washington, and that's to break the state in half.  The joke needs to become reality, and create a state from Eastern Washington and Northeastern Oregon.

Spokane voted for a feminist commy socialist Lisa Brown

“As a feminist … I am also inspired by great women activists, such as Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Emma Goldman,” Brown wrote in her thesis acknowledgments. “Other great women in my life include Golie Jansen, the members of the Boulder Socialist-Feminist Collective, and the members of the Spokane Women’s ‘Group.’"

Flynn, a founding member of the American Civil Liberties Union, became the chairwoman of the U.S. Communist Party in 1961, and said once said capitalism was incompatible with “human welfare.” Brown quoted Flynn in her thesis as someone who called on people to “hail to” and “work for” a “Socialist America.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/democratic-running-against-cathy-mcmorris-rodgers-inspired-by-socialists-communists-anarchists


Inslee liked her brand of commy feminism socialist ways so much...
https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-announces-appointment-lisa-brown-director-washington-state-department-commerce


Brown wrote:
“As a feminist, my intellectual heroine is Simone de Beauvoir,” Brown wrote, referencing the French theorist who is credited widely with kick-starting modern theories of feminism in the 1940s. “I am also inspired by great women activists, such as Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Emma Goldman.”

Flynn rose to become chairwoman of the Communist Party in the United States and in the 1950s was convicted for conspiring to advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government



Ya, and Spokane county went for Lisa Brown.  If it weren't for all the rest of Eastern WA going for McMorris Rodgers big time Lisa would be my rep right now. 
I don't have much hope for splitting the state, hell even Idaho is going liberal, at their rate of turning blue it won't be long until they loose all the cool things we wish we had in WA.   Spokane would be our new capitol, and they have homeless people living in the hallways of the court house crapping in the bushes and corners everywhere, it's little Seattle!!


sorry    :jacked:  back to your regular programming   :chuckle:  :chuckle:
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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2020, 08:46:09 AM »
There's only one hope for hunting in Washington, and that's to break the state in half.  The joke needs to become reality, and create a state from Eastern Washington and Northeastern Oregon.

Spokane voted for a feminist commy socialist Lisa Brown

“As a feminist … I am also inspired by great women activists, such as Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Emma Goldman,” Brown wrote in her thesis acknowledgments. “Other great women in my life include Golie Jansen, the members of the Boulder Socialist-Feminist Collective, and the members of the Spokane Women’s ‘Group.’"

Flynn, a founding member of the American Civil Liberties Union, became the chairwoman of the U.S. Communist Party in 1961, and said once said capitalism was incompatible with “human welfare.” Brown quoted Flynn in her thesis as someone who called on people to “hail to” and “work for” a “Socialist America.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/democratic-running-against-cathy-mcmorris-rodgers-inspired-by-socialists-communists-anarchists


Inslee liked her brand of commy feminism socialist ways so much...
https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-announces-appointment-lisa-brown-director-washington-state-department-commerce


Brown wrote:
“As a feminist, my intellectual heroine is Simone de Beauvoir,” Brown wrote, referencing the French theorist who is credited widely with kick-starting modern theories of feminism in the 1940s. “I am also inspired by great women activists, such as Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Emma Goldman.”

Flynn rose to become chairwoman of the Communist Party in the United States and in the 1950s was convicted for conspiring to advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government



Ya, and Spokane county went for Lisa Brown.  If it weren't for all the rest of Eastern WA going for McMorris Rodgers big time Lisa would be my rep right now. 
I don't have much hope for splitting the state, hell even Idaho is going liberal.   Spokane would be our new capitol, and they have homeless people living in the hallways of the court house crapping in the bushes and corners everywhere, it's little Seattle!!


sorry    :jacked:  back to your regular programming   :chuckle:  :chuckle:

Want to guarantee i wont listen to a word you say?  Start off with "As a feminist..." and ill instantly tune you out.  Looks like thats a favorite opening line for her.

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #192 on: February 26, 2020, 09:24:27 PM »
Last day for public comment via email. You can follow this link:

https://koho101.com/2020/02/proposed-changes-to-cougar-hunts/#comment-104753

Leave a simple message saying:

"cougar population are out of control and our ungulates are paying the price. Leave cougar season open year around with a two tags for each hunter"

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #193 on: February 26, 2020, 09:32:13 PM »
Last day for public comment via email. You can follow this link:

https://koho101.com/2020/02/proposed-changes-to-cougar-hunts/#comment-104753

Leave a simple message saying:

"cougar population are out of control and our ungulates are paying the price. Leave cougar season open year around with a two tags for each hunter"

Thats just a link to comment on a news site.  Front page of wdfw site has the link to actually comment to wdfw

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Re: Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020
« Reply #194 on: February 26, 2020, 09:40:43 PM »
Last day for public comment via email. You can follow this link:

https://koho101.com/2020/02/proposed-changes-to-cougar-hunts/#comment-104753

Leave a simple message saying:

"cougar population are out of control and our ungulates are paying the price. Leave cougar season open year around with a two tags for each hunter"

Thats just a link to comment on a news site.  Front page of wdfw site has the link to actually comment to wdfw

/quote]

I sent in a comment via that post link above. I received that link via an email, but after you mentioned it "being just a news site", it does look just like a comment section of a news site.

People can send an email here too:

wildthing@dfw.wa.gov

 


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