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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2020, 01:24:05 PM »
I don't know the wording in Idaho. I am only talking Washington new rule and wording. I haven't bear hunted in Idaho. Does it say in the Idaho rules  "must present raw pelt" or just like evidence of sex?
Itís the basically the exact wording.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2020, 01:34:45 PM »
In that it says "hide" not raw pelt like Washington's says. A piece of hide is not a pelt in my mind. Different wording.

I am guessing that they want the "raw pelt" to be able to see the breast glands as well. Not just the sex of the bear. In the spring time the sows will have cubs and be nursing. I think they are trying to see how many nursing sows are getting killed. They cant do that with just a patch of hide with sex attached. Which is why this is a spring time requirement.

I will be interested to hear the results and a answer to this. I still think the data they are wanting to collect IN Washington will not be able to be collected from a piece of hide with sex attached IMHO.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2020, 01:40:40 PM »
I think a vulva with a strip of happy trail and a lower jaw would suffice, or nutsack and lower jaw

But until we get it clarified we're all just assuming at this point.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2020, 01:46:50 PM »
In that it says "hide" not raw pelt like Washington's says. A piece of hide is not a pelt in my mind. Different wording.

I am guessing that they want the "raw pelt" to be able to see the breast glands as well. Not just the sex of the bear. In the spring time the sows will have cubs and be nursing. I think they are trying to see how many nursing sows are getting killed. They cant do that with just a patch of hide with sex attached. Which is why this is a spring time requirement.

I will be interested to hear the results and a answer to this. I still think the data they are wanting to collect IN Washington will not be able to be collected from a piece of hide with sex attached IMHO.
Hide and pelt are used synonymously in the dictionary, but itís all speculation until we have a response. I think we would be able to take a patch of belly Ďpeltí that includes the teats and vulva for females and satisfy their requirement.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2020, 02:05:02 PM »
That could very well be true. Its all speculation this year as I don't think many spring bear tags are going to get the opportunity to get punched.
You have raised a good question and I look forward to hearing what they have to say because obviously there is differences of interpretation between people. Like I take hide to be a part of the animals skin. Like I have a piece of hide on my long bow shelf. When a skinned out animal is sold for fur its a pelt and its the whole thing. So will be interesting to learn what there wanting from us.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2020, 02:35:21 PM »
That could very well be true. Its all speculation this year as I don't think many spring bear tags are going to get the opportunity to get punched.
You have raised a good question and I look forward to hearing what they have to say because obviously there is differences of interpretation between people. Like I take hide to be a part of the animals skin. Like I have a piece of hide on my long bow shelf. When a skinned out animal is sold for fur its a pelt and its the whole thing. So will be interesting to learn what there wanting from us.

keep in mind who wrote those rules,  they've probably never had a piece of hide or pelt one!



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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2020, 02:52:23 PM »
That could very well be true. Its all speculation this year as I don't think many spring bear tags are going to get the opportunity to get punched.
You have raised a good question and I look forward to hearing what they have to say because obviously there is differences of interpretation between people. Like I take hide to be a part of the animals skin. Like I have a piece of hide on my long bow shelf. When a skinned out animal is sold for fur its a pelt and its the whole thing. So will be interesting to learn what there wanting from us.

keep in mind who wrote those rules,  they've probably never had a piece of hide or pelt one!
Nor do they agree with their collection in the first place! 😂


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2020, 07:00:33 PM »
According to the 2019 reports, in the northeast units, 47.6% of the spring harvest was sows.  This is why they want to inspect them, to see if the spring hunt is causing a lot of orphaned cubs.  This concern is the major political issue with expanding spring bear hunting.  If they do open it up, please dont get trigger happy.  Kill boars or dry sows.  Watch for cubs

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #83 on: April 28, 2020, 07:44:20 PM »
Email i got today changes all that.  Only need to report by phone and send a tooth.  No saving the pelt or physical inspection

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #84 on: April 28, 2020, 07:48:47 PM »
Id like to see that email.  Post a screenshot?

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #86 on: April 28, 2020, 08:17:13 PM »
Wow, that will make some folks here happy.

 


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