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New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2020, 06:53:57 PM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me.
So define the hide then? This will be fun since there is no definition that I can find in the regs. What if I just want the portion from the bear’s back? Would I get in trouble for removing the legs, what about removing the feet or head? I think they leave it up to interpretation for a reason. At the very least, good luck with that holding up if they pressed charges.

Again Bango. You never responded to my previous questions.

“Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?”


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2020, 06:55:53 PM »
Harvest Check, Submitting Biological Samples and Bear Teeth: All successful bear hunters must validate (notch) their bear tag, notify the department within 72 hours of kill (excluding legal state holidays), provide the hunter's name, date and location of kill, and sex of animal. The raw pelt, evidence of sex, and the first premolar must be presented to an authorized department employee for sealing within 5 days of notification of kill. All permit hunters must comply with harvest reporting and submission of biological samples as described above. Failure to comply with the submission of biological samples is a misdemeanor pursuant to RCW 77.15.280.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2020, 07:37:26 PM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me.
So define the hide then? This will be fun since there is no definition that I can find in the regs. What if I just want the portion from the bear’s back? Would I get in trouble for removing the legs, what about removing the feet or head? I think they leave it up to interpretation for a reason. At the very least, good luck with that holding up if they pressed charges.

Again Bango. You never responded to my previous questions.

“Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?”


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I don't really know bango but I know he posted up 2 bears on here that he shot just last fall alone. So ya he has killed a bear. I have no dog in this fight but I think if you show up with a little piece of hide in Idaho it wont work out well.   

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2020, 07:45:23 PM »
Bango is probably one of the most consistent predator killer on this forum.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2020, 08:21:38 PM »
I take it as whole hide. A "raw pelt: is not a patch of fur. I think they want to check the mammary glands for milk is part of this as well.
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2020, 08:50:04 PM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me.
So define the hide then? This will be fun since there is no definition that I can find in the regs. What if I just want the portion from the bear’s back? Would I get in trouble for removing the legs, what about removing the feet or head? I think they leave it up to interpretation for a reason. At the very least, good luck with that holding up if they pressed charges.

Again Bango. You never responded to my previous questions.

“Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?”


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No, ive never killed a bear, ive never broke one down, and ive never packed one out in pueces on my back.  Im not half the man you are.  Maybe someday.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2020, 10:28:18 PM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me.
So define the hide then? This will be fun since there is no definition that I can find in the regs. What if I just want the portion from the bear’s back? Would I get in trouble for removing the legs, what about removing the feet or head? I think they leave it up to interpretation for a reason. At the very least, good luck with that holding up if they pressed charges.

Again Bango. You never responded to my previous questions.

“Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?”


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No, ive never killed a bear, ive never broke one down, and ive never packed one out in pueces on my back.  Im not half the man you are.  Maybe someday.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2020, 05:41:04 AM »
I do agree with Bango that there is or was a reporting problem in washington.I think a small 10 dollar fee could be added for people who don't report.The hide part I'm still on the fence about even though I will comply .Even though I find it hard to believe it has a lot to do with OTC spring tags.I have been trying to get them to roll over spring bear hunts this year if it doesn't open.And put out the same amount of spring tags next year.Pretty much double the amount of tags next year with 700 people who drawn this year.They will not do it.

They make more money cause everybody that was drawn this year will ghost point next year since they already have a tag.

With the very low harvest of spring bear they should of already raised permit numbers years ago knowing the success rate for years now.

Knowing  harvest rates raising permit numbers is like a drop in the bucket.bear population could handle more permits now and they won't raise it.So why would they go OTC.
WDFW is at a point with spring bear that they make a lot of money with little harvest/participation Why would they change it.

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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2020, 08:34:37 AM »
It may not specifically say the entire hide is required, but it sure doesnt say a portion of the hide is acceptable.  It says the hide, not a part of the hide.  That pretty clearly implies the whole thing to me.
So define the hide then? This will be fun since there is no definition that I can find in the regs. What if I just want the portion from the bear’s back? Would I get in trouble for removing the legs, what about removing the feet or head? I think they leave it up to interpretation for a reason. At the very least, good luck with that holding up if they pressed charges.

Again Bango. You never responded to my previous questions.

“Try backpack hunting 5-15 miles back into the wilderness for bears in some steep ass country and tell me how it goes for you. Are you trying to reduce the number of bears taken in a few remote units, because your logic would do that. Do you have any idea what a mature bear hide weighs? Have you even killed a bear and broken one down?”


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No, ive never killed a bear, ive never broke one down, and ive never packed one out in pueces on my back.  Im not half the man you are.  Maybe someday.
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New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2020, 12:25:38 PM »
It looks like logic and common sense prevails in IDAHO. Eventually I will pose the same question to WA F&G. Since it doesn’t effect my hunting plans in the near future, I am not in a hurry.

Update:

I spoke with biologist Brian Knoth in the Clearwater Regional Office. He was very friendly and helpful. He had to pose my question to the officer at that location George Fischer and call me back.

I explained that I would be in the remote backcountry and planned on taking out the skull and meat (I wanted them to know that I wasn’t being wasteful) but that I wanted to take the partial hide that included proof of sex in the event the hide wasn’t good or if I was too far back in.

When I received a call back, the answer was as follows:

You can absolutely take a partial hide in ID as long as it includes proof of sex.

You can also take the partial skull. Only the lower jaw is necessary for check in.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2020, 12:55:36 PM »
It looks like logic and common sense prevails in IDAHO. Eventually I will pose the same question to WA F&G. Since it doesn’t effect my hunting plans in the near future, I am not in a hurry.

Update:

I spoke with biologist Brian Knoth in the Clearwater Regional Office. He was very friendly and helpful. He had to pose my question to the officer at that location George Fischer and call me back.

I explained that I would be in the remote backcountry and planned on taking out the skull and meat (I wanted them to know that I wasn’t being wasteful) but that I wanted to take the partial hide that included proof of sex in the event the hide wasn’t good or if I was too far back in.

When I received a call back, the answer was as follows:

You can absolutely take a partial hide in ID as long as it includes proof of sex.

You can also take the partial skull. Only the lower jaw is necessary for check in.


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 :tup: Thanks for updating good to know. I will still pack out entire Bear because I am not a woosie  :chuckle: seriously thanks for the update I was convinced whole hide required

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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2020, 12:58:30 PM »
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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2020, 01:00:32 PM »
It looks like logic and common sense prevails in IDAHO. Eventually I will pose the same question to WA F&G. Since it doesn’t effect my hunting plans in the near future, I am not in a hurry.

Update:

I spoke with biologist Brian Knoth in the Clearwater Regional Office. He was very friendly and helpful. He had to pose my question to the officer at that location George Fischer and call me back.

I explained that I would be in the remote backcountry and planned on taking out the skull and meat (I wanted them to know that I wasn’t being wasteful) but that I wanted to take the partial hide that included proof of sex in the event the hide wasn’t good or if I was too far back in.

When I received a call back, the answer was as follows:

You can absolutely take a partial hide in ID as long as it includes proof of sex.

You can also take the partial skull. Only the lower jaw is necessary for check in.


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 :tup: Thanks for updating good to know. I will still pack out entire Bear because I am not a woosie  :chuckle: seriously thanks for the update I was convinced whole hide required
Your next bear is going to be missing half its hair on one side. 😂


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2020, 01:02:30 PM »
I take it as whole hide. A "raw pelt: is not a patch of fur. I think they want to check the mammary glands for milk is part of this as well.
I updated my findings from IDAHO F&G. Eventually I will get around to caring about what this state thinks and pose the same question.


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Re: New in 2020 The raw pelt with evidence of sex
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2020, 01:19:06 PM »
I don't know the wording in Idaho. I am only talking Washington new rule and wording. I haven't bear hunted in Idaho. Does it say in the Idaho rules  "must present raw pelt" or just like evidence of sex?
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