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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2020, 07:49:08 PM »
Not to thread jack but have a random AR question, can we still buy 80% lowers without an FFL? I have been looking for the answer, but cannot find a definitive answer. Thanks

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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2020, 08:30:29 PM »
Not to thread jack but have a random AR question, can we still buy 80% lowers without an FFL? I have been looking for the answer, but cannot find a definitive answer. Thanks

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If you do build one, make sure you put a makers mark on it so you are complying with federal law.
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2020, 09:17:34 PM »
Not to thread jack but have a random AR question, can we still buy 80% lowers without an FFL? I have been looking for the answer, but cannot find a definitive answer. Thanks

Yes
If you do build one, make sure you put a makers mark on it so you are complying with federal law.

Cite a source on that if you're going to make that claim.

The requirements for marking are for resale, not manufacturing for personal use.

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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2020, 09:37:59 PM »
Not to thread jack but have a random AR question, can we still buy 80% lowers without an FFL? I have been looking for the answer, but cannot find a definitive answer. Thanks

Yes
If you do build one, make sure you put a makers mark on it so you are complying with federal law.

Cite a source on that if you're going to make that claim.

The requirements for marking are for resale, not manufacturing for personal use.
https://regulations.atf.gov/478-92/2019-24301#478-92
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2020, 09:41:28 PM »
That regulation appears to be for licensed manufacturers.

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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
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When does a receiver need to have markings and/or serial numbers?

Receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92, Firearm manufacturers marking requirements.
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This is what makes me think it is required to have the gun marked.
If you make a gun, you are the manufacturer.
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2020, 05:57:32 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2020, 06:03:49 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
Bingo
Also letting someone use your tools to make a firearm is a no no.
Make them your self with your own tools 👌
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2020, 09:24:14 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
Bingo
Also letting someone use your tools to make a firearm is a no no.
Make them your self with your own tools 👌

Huh?
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2020, 09:56:22 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
Bingo
Also letting someone use your tools to make a firearm is a no no.
Make them your self with your own tools 👌
It seems like there are lots of opinions about interpretation of the rules. You probably should consult a attorney if you are not confident that you understand the laws. I will put a makers mark or serial number on any that I build just to be safe. You all can do whatever you think is best. I apologize for posting in here at all.
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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2020, 10:22:42 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
Bingo
Also letting someone use your tools to make a firearm is a no no.
Make them your self with your own tools 👌
It seems like there are lots of opinions about interpretation of the rules. You probably should consult a attorney if you are not confident that you understand the laws. I will put a makers mark or serial number on any that I build just to be safe. You all can do whatever you think is best. I apologize for posting in here at all.
You can mark them ,there is nothing wrong with it.

Here is a YouTube
This guy is a lawyer that does YouTube's on gun laws. Skip to about the 5 min mark.Its where I looked for info before I did a 80 lower.

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Re: Because someone knows everything......an AR exercise....
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2020, 10:53:44 AM »
You are not a “manufacturer” unless you are marketing them for sale
Bingo
Also letting someone use your tools to make a firearm is a no no.
Make them your self with your own tools 👌

Huh?
Example:
Friend comes to your shop ,uses tools,and your experience to build gun.
Gun is used in a crime
Cop/atf will try to pin u as a manufacturer.
This is just EXAMPLE rarely happens.
But just safer to use your own tools and manufacturer yourself ,which is the 100% legal way.
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