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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #150 on: September 22, 2020, 03:26:02 PM »
I'm curious, all you haters, do you have any bad examples of ebike riders in the woods ruining your hunt? Was it behind a non motorized gate or did they just beat you to a spot?  I've been in the woods most my life and don't think I've even seen one in the woods?

I saw a bunch of them going behind locked gates in timber lands closed to everyone for fire danger last week. Outside of the fire closure, motorized access is always forbidden on those properties anyways. Aside from E-bike users, there were tons of “hunters” also disregarding the timber land closures, and the campfire bans on state land as well.

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« Reply #151 on: September 22, 2020, 03:31:18 PM »
What we need is more roads opened, existing roads cleared out and gates removed.

That'll spread out hunters, then its not a competition to see who can get back further faster....

But he's using a motor!! Not fair!![/i]

Its all crap imo. Squabbling over shrinking access and dwindling game numbers.

We fight, WDFW clamps down, figure out who the real enemy is folks!

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #152 on: September 22, 2020, 03:39:34 PM »
I see a few posts on this thread saying that hunters need to stick together and be united... well why is it only that we need to be united pro e bike access? Why cant we all agree that they are motorized vehicles and should be treated as such?

Or we can all be a united front so long as it fits ones individual opinions?

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #153 on: September 22, 2020, 03:46:59 PM »
I see a few posts on this thread saying that hunters need to stick together and be united... well why is it only that we need to be united pro e bike access? Why cant we all agree that they are motorized vehicles and should be treated as such?

Or we can all be a united front so long as it fits ones individual opinions?
We been saying that on many many issues, from baiting to ATVS to ebikes..

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Guys w/o ebikes want them outta non-motorized areas..

Guys w ebikes want them designated non-motorized,  as per state and federal law

It's a tough argument either side you land on!
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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #154 on: September 22, 2020, 03:47:02 PM »
What we need is more roads opened, existing roads cleared out and gates removed.

That'll spread out hunters, then its not a competition to see who can get back further faster....

But he's using a motor!! Not fair!![/i]

Its all crap imo. Squabbling over shrinking access and dwindling game numbers.

We fight, WDFW clamps down, figure out who the real enemy is folks!

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My opinion is in some areas in this state(Washington) gates and restrictions are needed in some areas because of the concentration of hunters, for example the Methow. I will speak to this area because I know it. I have told the stories many times but back in the 70,s when the North Cascades pass was opened the writing was on the wall that access to some areas needed to be curtailed or at least be made harder to penetrate, especially during times of migrations. My dad along with some game department folks were instrumental in gating some roads in the valley. My dad went on many trips and had many conversations about migration routes my family knows of dating back to the early 1900,s. These areas are sensitive to a "migrating" mule deer herd and without those gates nowadays that herd would have taken a worse beating than it already has, literal slaughters would have taken place during some seasons. I will never forget when my dad took a game fella by a camp in the late 70,s, my dad had been up there a few days earlier and talked with the fellas at the camp. They had motorhomes and trailers parked in an area that was smack dab in one of the best migration routes in the valley and they didn't even know it. A little weather had hit a few days earlier and up high the trigger was pulled for the migration, a bunch of guys were sitting in lawn chairs one afternoon sipping cocktails when a herd of about 100 deer moved across a hill about 70 yards or so away, they grabbed their guns and dropped a bunch of bucks right from their bon fire. When my dad drove the game fella by the camp they had a total of 13 bucks hanging, 2 days before there was 5 I believe. When the game guy checked all tags and licenses one of the fellas joked how easy it was hunting here, he said "they never had to leave the fire pit". It was shortly after that things started getting done to curb access into some areas in the valley, not to deny access but to try to limit it for the sake of the herd. As I said, I cringe to think what the Methow herd would look like today if it was wide open, without gates and without certain restrictions put in place for the betterment of the herd. This isn't Idaho, we don't have vast populations of game and low populations of people, we have high concentrations of hunters pouring into places to hunt because we don't have all the habitat a place like Idaho has. Just my opinion, with all due respect.

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #155 on: September 22, 2020, 03:53:00 PM »
I know, lets just give e-bikers their own season.  Feb 1st thru feb 2nd.  4pt minimum, deer or elk. 

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #156 on: September 22, 2020, 03:54:10 PM »
Thanks for writing that, and I agree some areas need protection...for sure.

But many many areas are closed off and its designated a "wildlife desert" by the colville tribe, the only thing a lack of roads is doing is ensuring difficult fire truck access.



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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #157 on: September 22, 2020, 03:58:47 PM »
I see a few posts on this thread saying that hunters need to stick together and be united... well why is it only that we need to be united pro e bike access? Why cant we all agree that they are motorized vehicles and should be treated as such?

Or we can all be a united front so long as it fits ones individual opinions?
We been saying that on many many issues, from baiting to ATVS to ebikes..

See @bearpaw sig line!


Guys w/o ebikes want them outta non-motorized areas..

Guys w ebikes want them designated non-motorized,  as per state and federal law

It's a tough argument either side you land on!
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« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2020, 04:03:51 PM »
I'm on the fence, I haven't bought an ebike because threads like this, and closures to the bikes.

It would have come in handy a few times though, but the last elk I packed an ebike would have been zero help.

It was straight uphill from the truck, then over the top down into the next drainage.

Elk were bedding where ATVs couldn't access.

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2020, 04:06:35 PM »
I see a few posts on this thread saying that hunters need to stick together and be united... well why is it only that we need to be united pro e bike access? Why cant we all agree that they are motorized vehicles and should be treated as such?

Or we can all be a united front so long as it fits ones individual opinions?

Ya its totally ludicrous.  Not all hunters are even close to being of the same mind.  I cant simply identify as a hunter without tons of reservations based entirely on other guys who identify as hunters.

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2020, 04:15:30 PM »
I see a few posts on this thread saying that hunters need to stick together and be united... well why is it only that we need to be united pro e bike access? Why cant we all agree that they are motorized vehicles and should be treated as such?

Or we can all be a united front so long as it fits ones individual opinions?

Ya its totally ludicrous.  Not all hunters are even close to being of the same mind.  I cant simply identify as a hunter without tons of reservations based entirely on other guys who identify as hunters.
Glad y'all said that, and of course we're not of a hive mind.

But everyone hates something someone else loves, from long range hunting, to archery, to 209's to ebikes, to barbed hooks and live bait, catch and release, to atvs, to horses trucks, gated or non gated...

Freaking everyone hates something and wants it banned (but don't ban that thing they like!)

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2020, 05:01:55 PM »
 

I may be a dinosaur but I don't care about how other hunters hunt as long as its legal, we are all hunters and in my mind thats all I think of as far as "hunters" goes. What I do think more about is our game and what gives them the best chance to  be healthy and to grow the herds, thats when my mind works its hardest. I know hunters hunt in many different ways, they have their own rituals and beliefs, but as for me, I always think of whats best for the herd first and helping it grow for my kids and grandkids, thats the way my grandparents and my parents always thaught. Thats why my dad advocated for gates to go up in certain parts of the Methow, not to keep other hunters from getting more deer than us but to protect the herd during vulnerable times of the year because my dad loved that herd, you can still hunt it, you just have to walk in, gives the herd a little better chance. With all the new technology coming concerning hunting every day, we as hunters have already gained a few "upper hands". Our bunch have done just fine through the years and will continue to, we don't ride bikes, wear camo and scent block, we don't ride quads or motor bikes and you know what, we still kill bucks. Like I said, If folks want to hunt that way its perfectly ok by me but certain areas need restrictions and things put in place to make access a little more difficult to try to protect(even if just a little) the herds when they are at their most vulnerable and I'm perfectly ok with that also.... :twocents:

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« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2020, 05:34:22 PM »
No, that's just solid management. 

but what we get is:

/ignore herd health

protect predators

corral people in small areas
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« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2020, 06:22:50 PM »
No, that's just solid management. 

but what we get is:

/ignore herd health

protect predators

corral people in small areas

Yep... :yeah:

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Re: WDFW going around law makers ????????????
« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2020, 06:35:12 PM »
This e bike issue is so simple. Why make it more complicated than it is? An e bike has a motor, therefore it's a motorized vehicle. Areas closed to motorized vehicles are closed to bicycles with an electric motor. That's an entirely different issue than should certain areas be gated or not.

 


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