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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2020, 08:36:26 PM »
Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.

It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?

That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.

Is says reserved 1500 whitetail tags. Seperate of the 14000

Yes but now with each unit capped, the caps could be filled before they get to that 1500 tags, if enough people bought a whitetail tag instead of mule deer tags.
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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2020, 09:06:02 PM »
Well kids not counting towards the 15500 total is a good thing. If I read that link correct anyway.

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2020, 09:07:58 PM »
Cant you just buy a whitetail only tag? Thats what my 2 buddies at work do.
not anymore. All the tags are just unit specific and whatever is open for that unit.

It says after they sell the 14000 1500 whitetail tags are available seperate of the 14000 or am I reading that wrong?

That's the way it's been. But it could be interesting if more non res hunters buy whitetail tags with the original 14,000 tags. All the capped units might be maxed out before they get to the 1500 extra whitetail tags.

Is says reserved 1500 whitetail tags. Seperate of the 14000

Yes but now with each unit capped, the caps could be filled before they get to that 1500 tags, if enough people bought a whitetail tag instead of mule deer tags.

Nope, set aside for after the 14000. It says to be sold after the 14000 if they hit 14000

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2020, 10:24:53 PM »

Nope, set aside for after the 14000. It says to be sold after the 14000 if they hit 14000

That 14,000 can either be any deer or just whitetail, your choice. The 1500 is for additional whitetail tags. Different seasons for each and different quotas as far the unit quotas go. If by chance more people purchased whitetail tags than normal, instead of "any deer" tags for the first 14,000 there may not be enough quota spots left for the "extra" 1500 whitetail tags.

For example..... I just totaled up the quota for non res whitetail tags. And if I didn't screw up, next year the total non res whitetail quota if you add up all the units is 3,836.   there are 14,000 possible tags that can either be the reg tags or whitetail tags depending on your choice.  If 3,836 of those tags were whitetail tags, there would be no quota left for the "extra" 1,500 whitetail tags.  They can sell those 1,500 "extra" tags, but where are you going to hunt with them if the quota is already filled for each unit?  The only way I can see them being used is if they are sold to resident hunters as second tags. 

The other problem I see with this plan is...... The real overcrowding issue is the number of new resident hunters over the years, as the non res numbers have been capped for a very long time. It doesn't really matter if 10%-15% of the hunters (the non res hunters) can only hunt one unit if all those resident hunters are still free to move around to any unit they want. Especially if the resident hunters end up purchasing second tags because non res hunters can't use them. So I don't see any real reduction in crowding except for a few localized areas.

One other issue is, they probably won't sell as many muzzleloader licenses, because there are only a few units with muzzleloader seasons for deer.  Say I got a whitetail tag for unit 14. If I don't fill my tag by Nov. 20, the end of the season, I can't change to say unit 16 for muzzleloader season, so I won't be buying the muzzleloader endorsement.
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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2020, 11:25:59 PM »
This is copied directly from their webpage

 *Reserved White-tailed Deer tags become available after the main quota of 14,000 has sold out.

I maybe misunderstanding something  :dunno:

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2020, 05:55:19 AM »
This is copied directly from their webpage

 *Reserved White-tailed Deer tags become available after the main quota of 14,000 has sold out.

I maybe misunderstanding something  :dunno:

That's only because they didn't think this through. In fact I just saw something funny here...... I added up all the regular deer tag quotas per unit and all the whitetail units per quota and I come up with this....... Regular deer tag quota is 13,431, and whitetail deer tag quota adds up to 3,836.  See the problem? 13,431 plus 3,836 equals 17,267.   That is higher than the number of tags available, (14,000 plus 1500 reserved whitetail tags = 15,500) So if they filled all the quota, that would actually increase the number of non res deer hunters.  I'm guessing they won't. and some of the unit quotas for non res won't be filled. But it would be funny of the result of this new plan was it increased non res participation.

Maybe I added the quotas up wrong, but I don't think I did.
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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2020, 06:32:20 AM »
They will still only sell the 14k regular tags. Some units won't sell out of the allotted tags. I think they added extra knowing units won't sell out but it gives people plan b,c, and d options.

I hope they have a better system in place for updating available tag numbers though.
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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2020, 06:34:25 AM »
 And I don't think whitetail only tags become available til general sells out. That's why there is two different quota's. Some units have way more whitetail only tags then general tags and vis versa.

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2020, 06:55:00 AM »
The overall quota will be hit before all the individual quotas are filled.  Otherwise it would be an overall reduction in tags and they didnt want that.   Some areas will see a lot more non res hunters than before.  Get ready locals!

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2020, 07:17:28 AM »
The overall quota will be hit before all the individual quotas are filled.  Otherwise it would be an overall reduction in tags and they didnt want that.   Some areas will see a lot more non res hunters than before.  Get ready locals!

I wonder what a 50 percent reduction in non res pass through traffic will do to small outskirt towns like Pierce. Im sure they will be fine but its going to have some financial impact.  :dunno:

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2020, 10:03:35 AM »
Do you guys think tags will sell out right away? I guess I’ll base my Idaho hunt or non hunt on when they do.. I’m not planning on buying tags December 1 and if they’re gone i miss out.


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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2020, 10:36:47 AM »
Deer will sell out in some areas and people may get elk same time so expect quota filled by June 1 this year

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2020, 12:25:44 PM »
I wouldn’t be surprised if some sell out in December.

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Re: Idaho non resident tag quotas for 2021
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2020, 12:27:23 PM »
I'll be getting mine, until I can convince the guys I hunt with to try other western states lol

This $ increase is gonna help me do that

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