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Author Topic: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?  (Read 88856 times)

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #450 on: February 14, 2021, 06:01:41 PM »
Should we be allowed to use electric vehicles for road hunting?  Seems the new technology would be quieter and give hunters a stealth advantage---increasing harvest of the resource.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #451 on: February 14, 2021, 06:22:05 PM »
I really dont want this to pass, but if it does i have a scope already picked out. 1 moa aiming dot and an exposed elevation dial.

Hopefully we can keep it as just iron sights.  :tup:

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #452 on: February 14, 2021, 06:31:31 PM »
What, no smart projectiles?
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #453 on: February 14, 2021, 06:49:25 PM »
Should we be allowed to use electric vehicles for road hunting?  Seems the new technology would be quieter and give hunters a stealth advantage---increasing harvest of the resource.

Is there a law preventing this?

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #454 on: February 14, 2021, 06:53:01 PM »
If that is the case, then use a scoped rifle. Zero lock time will make the clean kill even more likely.
Huh? What does that have to do with a muzzleloader.
What does a scoped muzzleloader have to do with primitive hunting?

People only go muzzleloader due to seasons timing, or purists.





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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #455 on: February 14, 2021, 07:13:30 PM »
If that is the case, then use a scoped rifle. Zero lock time will make the clean kill even more likely.
Huh? What does that have to do with a muzzleloader.
What does a scoped muzzleloader have to do with primitive hunting?

People only go muzzleloader due to seasons timing, or purists.





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I would say 90% of muzzleloader hunters I ran into this year were carrying inlines, none were carrying flintlocks. Not purists, they were after the season dates...like me.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #456 on: February 14, 2021, 07:20:38 PM »
He was the exception for sure, but the point was, if I didnít make it clear, it is the shooter, not the gun, the majority of the time. In 50 years of shooting and competing I would put him in the top three I have ever seen or known. You can work on the weapon, but it still is the shooter in the end.
I forget what scope ĎWhite Featherí had on the big Browning 50 double paddle machine gun he used, but it was not much. I remember reading about some of his shooting with it. Pretty amazing. He was also Ďthe exceptioní of shooters.
We used 8X Unertl scopes on crew served weapons when White Feather was active. I had them for M2's and 20mm Vulcan's.  :twocents:
Pops started with a 30-06 but was transitioned to the M-40 with a Redfield scope in 7.62 nato match.

He's got a pic of his longest shot somewhere, it wasn't even in the scope, just a "hmm about here...bang!"   Look in the spotter...wait...flop in the rice patty.

I believe it's the longest M-40 shot of the era.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #457 on: February 14, 2021, 07:25:15 PM »
If that is the case, then use a scoped rifle. Zero lock time will make the clean kill even more likely.
Huh? What does that have to do with a muzzleloader.
What does a scoped muzzleloader have to do with primitive hunting?

People only go muzzleloader due to seasons timing, or purists.





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I would say 90% of muzzleloader hunters I ran into this year were carrying inlines, none were carrying flintlocks. Not purists, they were after the season dates...like me.
I'm there for timing and the units available.  When I couldn't find any units for modern that I liked that weren't trounced three weeks earlier by the muzzy army, just had to join them.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #458 on: February 14, 2021, 07:27:29 PM »
If that is the case, then use a scoped rifle. Zero lock time will make the clean kill even more likely.
Huh? What does that have to do with a muzzleloader.
What does a scoped muzzleloader have to do with primitive hunting?

People only go muzzleloader due to seasons timing, or purists.





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I would say 90% of muzzleloader hunters I ran into this year were carrying inlines, none were carrying flintlocks. Not purists, they were after the season dates...like me.

And how long do you think those seasons dates last when more people switch to muzzy cause now they can use a scope? And harvest rates increase both from sheer numbers of hunters, and now more accuracy from scopes to take the shot.

Inlines were one thing- the 209 primers was the wrong next step. Scopes are just stupid.

Canít wait to see the complaining in a couple of years...
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #459 on: February 14, 2021, 07:31:44 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

The first telescopic scope was made in 1776, and successfully implemented in the 1830s according to google. Not sure adding one to a muzzleloader will automatically qualify it as a modern firearm. The resource isnít going to be depleted by adding a fixed 1X scope to a muzzleloader. Predators are doing a much better job at that then hunters ever will. In 2018 27k deer were killed by hunters. The state has an estimated 3k cougars that average one deer kill a week. That would equate to over 150k deer killed by just cougars, and we all know the 3k estimate is low!

Hence y I said this isnít our biggest issue well aware of our predator issue ,death by a thousand cuts and it will affect numbers of hunters,harvested ,wounded  for those that think there muzzleloader is now a rifle , they have slowly taken away the tradition of muzzleloading and a scope is just another notch towards a modern rifle that is a fact

The same thing could be said for every technological advancement for any of our means of hunting though. I donít think it will have a profound impact, and Iíll wager there will be less wounding of animals then before. No real way of tracking that unfortunately.
I don't think there's going to be less wounding  of animals, they'll just punch out their range until wounding occurs.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #460 on: February 14, 2021, 07:56:30 PM »
If that is the case, then use a scoped rifle. Zero lock time will make the clean kill even more likely.
Huh? What does that have to do with a muzzleloader.
What does a scoped muzzleloader have to do with primitive hunting?

People only go muzzleloader due to seasons timing, or purists.





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That's a load of BS. I switched from modern to muzzleloader about twelve years ago simply because it gave me the option to harvest a cow in the unit I spend most of my time in. And I also have no problem with continuing to use peep sites,  but if this does pass the 1x scope I already have will be on my muzzleloader.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #461 on: February 14, 2021, 08:00:14 PM »
Like I said, seasons or purists.



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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #462 on: February 14, 2021, 08:04:28 PM »
Like I said, seasons or purists.

Go back to your conspiracy theories threads.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #463 on: February 14, 2021, 08:17:02 PM »
I go where I please tyvm

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #464 on: February 14, 2021, 08:18:28 PM »
Iím trying to figure out how to pin the power ring on 1x on this NF NX8...haha

 


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