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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #420 on: February 07, 2021, 01:23:23 PM »
Gh that could be a weaver k-1 they made a 1x. They were very popular and a few places restore them and still sell them.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #421 on: February 08, 2021, 09:45:03 PM »
Whew! That was a long read! I have been away from big game hunting in general, archery hunting and muzzy hunting for quite a while. Long enough ago that I did not know in lines were legal here now. Or 209 primers, for that matter. I recently drug my Hawkins out and noticed the sights are pretty blurry...
Just some notes on 1 power scopes. Yes, they DO magnify. And a surprising amount. Back in the 70’s we hunted a lot of Yotes in Montana for pelt side money. The best shooter in our group used a 1.5 power scope. He head shot a yote at 510 yards, measured by me with a steel 100 yard tape. He also shot a small juice can off a fence post at 400 yards when I challenged him on the 510 yard shot. Both one shot each. Yes, we had a sweet ‘bench rest’ made from set up logs. We had that set up on a few of the fields. It still does not negate the long shot. Look at the long shots Buffelo hunters used to shoot. 1000 to 1500 yards on many of them.
I am not for the scopes on muzzle loaders, but I was against the shotgun primers and in lines when I first heard about them years ago, but, changes are probably a comin’.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #422 on: February 09, 2021, 04:09:58 AM »
I used a custom vortex dot scope in UT that had the magnification ring removed. Having that dot greatly extended my range and was a huge advantage over open sights. Not even a question. I could easily kill a elk at 300 yards with one. Shot a buck on that hunt that I would have never tried in WA at 225 yards

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #423 on: February 09, 2021, 08:34:42 PM »
I grew up muzzleloader hunting in Utah back in the days when you could only use a 1x scope. There were a lot of hunters that hunted with 1x4 scopes that they would lock at the 1x magnification. Everything from super glue, to JB weld, and Leupold lock the magnification to a 1x if you sent it into them. I’m just throwing this out there to let you know there are ways around trying to find a 1x fixed scope.


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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #424 on: February 09, 2021, 08:44:58 PM »
What was the final verdict or is it still being decided?  Did they go with change and allow 1x scopes on muzzleloaders?  Or are we still on 29 pages worth of discussion?
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #425 on: February 09, 2021, 09:13:49 PM »
What was the final verdict or is it still being decided?  Did they go with change and allow 1x scopes on muzzleloaders?  Or are we still on 29 pages worth of discussion?
I don't think they decide until March....

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #426 on: February 13, 2021, 03:07:21 PM »
It was literally the only thing I commented on...but I reckon you crybabies will get your way. I want it to be easier :cryriver:
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #427 on: February 13, 2021, 03:42:12 PM »
It was literally the only thing I commented on...but I reckon you crybabies will get your way. I want it to be easier :cryriver:

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #428 on: February 13, 2021, 05:53:48 PM »
Whew! That was a long read! I have been away from big game hunting in general, archery hunting and muzzy hunting for quite a while. Long enough ago that I did not know in lines were legal here now. Or 209 primers, for that matter. I recently drug my Hawkins out and noticed the sights are pretty blurry...
Just some notes on 1 power scopes. Yes, they DO magnify. And a surprising amount. Back in the 70’s we hunted a lot of Yotes in Montana for pelt side money. The best shooter in our group used a 1.5 power scope. He head shot a yote at 510 yards, measured by me with a steel 100 yard tape. He also shot a small juice can off a fence post at 400 yards when I challenged him on the 510 yard shot. Both one shot each. Yes, we had a sweet ‘bench rest’ made from set up logs. We had that set up on a few of the fields. It still does not negate the long shot. Look at the long shots Buffelo hunters used to shoot. 1000 to 1500 yards on many of them.
I am not for the scopes on muzzle loaders, but I was against the shotgun primers and in lines when I first heard about them years ago, but, changes are probably a comin’.

I'm not saying your friend can't make a coyote headshot at 510 yards with a 1X scope, but then he is the extreme exception to the rule. 

Most guys can't hit a coyote at 500 yards  if you give them a 20 power Nightforce scope. 
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #429 on: February 13, 2021, 06:10:13 PM »
He was the exception for sure, but the point was, if I didn’t make it clear, it is the shooter, not the gun, the majority of the time. In 50 years of shooting and competing I would put him in the top three I have ever seen or known. You can work on the weapon, but it still is the shooter in the end.
I forget what scope ‘White Feather’ had on the big Browning 50 double paddle machine gun he used, but it was not much. I remember reading about some of his shooting with it. Pretty amazing. He was also ‘the exception’ of shooters.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #430 on: February 13, 2021, 07:29:14 PM »
Yep. 

Well stated. 
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #431 on: February 13, 2021, 08:56:43 PM »
He was the exception for sure, but the point was, if I didn’t make it clear, it is the shooter, not the gun, the majority of the time. In 50 years of shooting and competing I would put him in the top three I have ever seen or known. You can work on the weapon, but it still is the shooter in the end.
I forget what scope ‘White Feather’ had on the big Browning 50 double paddle machine gun he used, but it was not much. I remember reading about some of his shooting with it. Pretty amazing. He was also ‘the exception’ of shooters.
We used 8X Unertl scopes on crew served weapons when White Feather was active. I had them for M2's and 20mm Vulcan's.  :twocents:
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #432 on: February 13, 2021, 09:21:30 PM »
If I am correct one of his shots with the M2 was 2500 yards? With an 8X scope? Awesome!
I need to check on an old Weaver I have in the shop that I think may be very low power. I know I have two Leupold 2X pistol scopes... Maybe we should push for 2X!
Still not sure I would put a scope on the stuffer, but maybe...

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #433 on: February 13, 2021, 09:28:48 PM »
If I am correct one of his shots with the M2 was 2500 yards? With an 8X scope? Awesome!
I need to check on an old Weaver I have in the shop that I think may be very low power. I know I have two Leupold 2X pistol scopes... Maybe we should push for 2X!
Still not sure I would put a scope on the stuffer, but maybe...
Correct 2500 yards
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/marine-made-historys-5th-longest-sniper-kill-machine-gun/
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #434 on: February 13, 2021, 09:38:26 PM »
That picture! I have seen it before but it is always amazing to see what he did with what he had. Crazy! And working double thumb triggers to boot!

 


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