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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #435 on: February 14, 2021, 12:02:05 AM »
A 1X scope would really help my old eyes. 

It's frustrating trying to shoot iron sights these days. 

In my case, what was easy to see 10 years ago is now a blur.  I simply cant focus on sights AND target.   

I get both sides, but in my case I'd put a 1X scope on asap when legal.
This is what i heard was the reasoning. I belive something similar came up for bow hunters... something about how all you guys are getting old and need cheater and such to see.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #436 on: February 14, 2021, 08:17:31 AM »
I asked to change to 2x since I can't find the 1x.   :tup:  :sry:
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #437 on: February 14, 2021, 08:24:29 AM »
It was literally the only thing I commented on...but I reckon you crybabies will get your way. I want it to be easier :cryriver:
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #438 on: February 14, 2021, 08:56:46 AM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #439 on: February 14, 2021, 12:03:30 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #440 on: February 14, 2021, 12:24:56 PM »
I just hope the change will result in less wounded, unfound animals. The other change might just be better Iím my opinion, allowing cross bows during Muzzy season, the high end xbows are really accurate.  Wonder if you can put a 1x scope on a cross bow?
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #441 on: February 14, 2021, 02:04:13 PM »
I just hope the change will result in less wounded, unfound animals. The other change might just be better Iím my opinion, allowing cross bows during Muzzy season, the high end xbows are really accurate.  Wonder if you can put a 1x scope on a cross bow?

Hard to find a xbow without a scope.  Try to find one with 1x.  Most start at 2x. 
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #442 on: February 14, 2021, 03:25:41 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.



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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #443 on: February 14, 2021, 03:31:50 PM »
Well said Dan-O  :tup:

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #444 on: February 14, 2021, 04:04:05 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #445 on: February 14, 2021, 04:16:10 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

The first telescopic scope was made in 1776, and successfully implemented in the 1830s according to google. Not sure adding one to a muzzleloader will automatically qualify it as a modern firearm. The resource isnít going to be depleted by adding a fixed 1X scope to a muzzleloader. Predators are doing a much better job at that then hunters ever will. In 2018 27k deer were killed by hunters. The state has an estimated 3k cougars that average one deer kill a week. That would equate to over 150k deer killed by just cougars, and we all know the 3k estimate is low!

Edit: I guess there are 2k adult cougars per their estimate in 2018, so I guess only 100k deaths at the hands of a cat.
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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #446 on: February 14, 2021, 04:23:34 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

The first telescopic scope was made in 1776, and successfully implemented in the 1830s according to google. Not sure adding one to a muzzleloader will automatically qualify it as a modern firearm. The resource isnít going to be depleted by adding a fixed 1X scope to a muzzleloader. Predators are doing a much better job at that then hunters ever will. In 2018 27k deer were killed by hunters. The state has an estimated 3k cougars that average one deer kill a week. That would equate to over 150k deer killed by just cougars, and we all know the 3k estimate is low!

Hence y I said this isnít our biggest issue well aware of our predator issue ,death by a thousand cuts and it will affect numbers of hunters,harvested ,wounded  for those that think there muzzleloader is now a rifle , they have slowly taken away the tradition of muzzleloading and a scope is just another notch towards a modern rifle that is a fact

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #447 on: February 14, 2021, 04:27:21 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

The first telescopic scope was made in 1776, and successfully implemented in the 1830s according to google. Not sure adding one to a muzzleloader will automatically qualify it as a modern firearm. The resource isnít going to be depleted by adding a fixed 1X scope to a muzzleloader. Predators are doing a much better job at that then hunters ever will. In 2018 27k deer were killed by hunters. The state has an estimated 3k cougars that average one deer kill a week. That would equate to over 150k deer killed by just cougars, and we all know the 3k estimate is low!

Hence y I said this isnít our biggest issue well aware of our predator issue ,death by a thousand cuts and it will affect numbers of hunters,harvested ,wounded  for those that think there muzzleloader is now a rifle , they have slowly taken away the tradition of muzzleloading and a scope is just another notch towards a modern rifle that is a fact

The same thing could be said for every technological advancement for any of our means of hunting though. I donít think it will have a profound impact, and Iíll wager there will be less wounding of animals then before. No real way of tracking that unfortunately.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #448 on: February 14, 2021, 04:29:39 PM »
Why not apply this to the older generation and people with visual disabilities?  65 and over or apply for a disability permit.

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Re: Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?
« Reply #449 on: February 14, 2021, 05:53:01 PM »
You can definitely tell who is viewing it from the best interest of the resource vs who is viewing it from the best interest of themselves after reading through this thread... hopefully they make the right decision but Iím not holding my breath


 Seams a lot of folks donít care about the resources anymore only care about themselves

LOL

So, if someone wants a different rule than you want, they dont care about the resource. 

Your ability to jump to a conclusion is entertaining.

Itís not jumping to a conclusion itís pretty clear that a lot of people think for the now and not for the future, and the scope  situation is very clear a scope makes it a modern weapon  no if ands or butts about it and some people seam to say poor me  my vision , this or that look we will all age out eventually but because they canít except that they want to change. Rules for there benefit knowing it will affect muzzle season  in many ways . This also isnít our biggest issue at hand but yes itís very clear A lot of people donít think about the resource and or the way each rule change affects that

The first telescopic scope was made in 1776, and successfully implemented in the 1830s according to google. Not sure adding one to a muzzleloader will automatically qualify it as a modern firearm. The resource isnít going to be depleted by adding a fixed 1X scope to a muzzleloader. Predators are doing a much better job at that then hunters ever will. In 2018 27k deer were killed by hunters. The state has an estimated 3k cougars that average one deer kill a week. That would equate to over 150k deer killed by just cougars, and we all know the 3k estimate is low!

Hence y I said this isnít our biggest issue well aware of our predator issue ,death by a thousand cuts and it will affect numbers of hunters,harvested ,wounded  for those that think there muzzleloader is now a rifle , they have slowly taken away the tradition of muzzleloading and a scope is just another notch towards a modern rifle that is a fact

The same thing could be said for every technological advancement for any of our means of hunting though. I donít think it will have a profound impact, and Iíll wager there will be less wounding of animals then before. No real way of tracking that unfortunately.

There has to be a limit on our technology  in my opinion not just with muzzle,I mean with rifle , and bow

 


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