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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2021, 10:05:04 AM »
I agree with torret50 as well.

Sweating about violating some rule or law is not fun for me, so I do it right and my fun is higher grade.


But I'm not exactly 'pie in the sky' about my fellow hunters, so I'll advocate for common since rules and regulations that encourages participation and are easy to follow.

There is a massive lack of trust and lots of resentment towards WDFW, rules like bringing a whole freaking pelt is stupid when a patch with proof of sex should be adequate, and that tooth of course.

I think an open and honest explanation as to why they are asking for the entire pelt would help quell at least some of the back and forth we see going on here.

That would be great. It’s like some anti hunter  just picked what sounded like the hardest possible way to report a kill. Which I’m assuming was the case with WDFG..

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2021, 09:14:19 AM »
My spring bear tag envelope says we  are required to submit “the raw pelt with evidence of sex and premolar tooth” still sounds like partial pelt or whatever amount you choose is fine. Anyone hear anything else?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2021, 09:31:46 AM »
My spring bear tag envelope says we  are required to submit “the raw pelt with evidence of sex and premolar tooth” still sounds like partial pelt or whatever amount you choose is fine. Anyone hear anything else?

 So I called WDFW last week because I had a few questions. Mostly regarding to the part on the front page of the letter that says 24HRS after harvest the premolar must be submitted. I also asked about the pelt as well.

According to the Specialist I talked to on the phone the entire pelt with evidence of sex is to be taken. If you look a few pages back I put a more in depth reply to this exact question in this post.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2021, 09:45:39 AM »
This is part of my conversation with the NE bio. Pretty clear in my eyes.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2021, 10:18:41 AM »
This is part of my conversation with the NE bio. Pretty clear in my eyes.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2021, 10:25:26 AM »
almost sounds like a new business model, pin on onx, hide retrieval services for spring bear kills....
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2021, 10:26:50 AM »
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2021, 10:38:29 AM »
My spring bear tag envelope says we  are required to submit “the raw pelt with evidence of sex and premolar tooth” still sounds like partial pelt or whatever amount you choose is fine. Anyone hear anything else?

 So I called WDFW last week because I had a few questions. Mostly regarding to the part on the front page of the letter that says 24HRS after harvest the premolar must be submitted. I also asked about the pelt as well.

According to the Specialist I talked to on the phone the entire pelt with evidence of sex is to be taken. If you look a few pages back I put a more in depth reply to this exact question in this post.

Ya I read your comments. I was wondering if any one has talked to a bio. Like the person who will actually be inspecting the hide. Of course WDFW will give the safe answer of every square inch. They wouldn’t want to be held liable.

We can report to any bio in any region correct?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2021, 10:43:19 AM »
So WDFW has a rule with spring bear permits that you have to bring the entire pelt in and some folks are going to ignore that rule and just do what they want because they don't agree with it.  I wonder if those same people are going to hunt anywhere they want instead of just the unit they were drawn for because they don't agree with the boundary?  Or maybe someone doesn't agree with the number of permits for a particular area and the fact they didn't draw.  Just going to go out and hunt anyway?  Season ends on June 15th and don't agree.  Hunt until July?  Makes me wonder how some people determine where that line they won't cross is located...........or is it constantly shifting? 

Personally, I'll hunt only where and when I have a tag/permit, during legal hours, following the published rules.  If I'm lucky enough to get a bear, I'll haul the whole damn pelt out and jump thru the hoops.  Might it suck?  Yup.  But it's all part of the deal.  Reminds me of a conversation Rinella had on one of his shows about high-grade vs low-grade fun.  Low-grade is like riding a roller coaster.  Fun at the time, but nobody remembers it 10 years later.  High-grade is the stuff that seems to suck at the time, but 10 years later you look back and say, "damn that was pretty fun."  Guess I will just hope for some high-grade fun.

Ps.  If someone is having trouble packing everything out and needs some help, if I'm in the area and can help I will gladly put in some work to help a fellow hunter stay within the rules.   Bottom line is that if we all start doing whatever we want pretty soon opportunities will start to disappear for all of us.    :twocents:
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I agree with everything you wrote.  I was opposed to the pelt requirement, and submitted comments during rulemaking that recommended successful hunters only be required to present evidence of sex, and with sows the teats naturally attached to hide so lactation status could be determined.  It didn't go my way.

When I applied this year, it was with the knowledge that if successful I would be required to present the entire pelt.  I don't plan to get another bear rugged, I want the spring permit for the experience and the meat.  If successful, I would have made the effort required to pack out the hide as well as the skull and meat.  My choices of where to hunt are already constrained by my health issues and preference for solo hunting, and packing out the entire hide is not my preference - but I'll do it.  I don't always agree with WDFW, but I'll follow the rules because I'm a hunter and not a poacher.  As a hunter, I don't have the liberty to decide which rules I'll follow, to the absolute best of my ability I follow all of them. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2021, 11:21:24 AM »
When we call the hotline number to report our dead bear will there be a appointment for a date and location made at that point, in the region we live to submit the “pelt” the same as cougar?

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2021, 12:15:37 PM »
I don't always agree with WDFW, but I'll follow the rules because I'm a hunter and not a poacher. 

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #86 on: March 23, 2021, 12:25:38 PM »
I don't always agree with WDFW, but I'll follow the rules because I'm a hunter and not a poacher. 

great quote!

I agree. Now only if they could make the rules clear.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #87 on: March 23, 2021, 12:39:19 PM »
that's crazy talk..
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2021, 06:31:09 PM »
Yeah they make it super easy to figure out. On my actual bear permit it says I must provide a tooth to a regional office within 24 hours of harvesting a bear. Then the letter they sent me with the permit says I have 72 hours to notify them and five days to get it to them to have the tooth extracted and Hide inspected. So..... guess I will do my best to hit the 24 hour mark to be safe? Probably not realistic Though if I shoot one late far from the truck and turns into a pack the next day. Then trying to coordinate with someone who can check it after hours and possibly on a weekend.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2021, 06:57:42 PM »
Yeah they make it super easy to figure out. On my actual bear permit it says I must provide a tooth to a regional office within 24 hours of harvesting a bear. Then the letter they sent me with the permit says I have 72 hours to notify them and five days to get it to them to have the tooth extracted and Hide inspected. So..... guess I will do my best to hit the 24 hour mark to be safe? Probably not realistic Though if I shoot one late far from the truck and turns into a pack the next day. Then trying to coordinate with someone who can check it after hours and possibly on a weekend.
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