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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #90 on: March 24, 2021, 11:04:44 PM »
Idaho has an identical requirement in their regs and they do not require the entire pelt for inspection. Only proof of sex being attached. I would argue that there is nothing they can do to you if you present the pelt with the proof of sex attached until they amend the regs to state the Ďcomplete pelt/hide.í This was discussed last year also.

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Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2021, 11:13:15 PM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

Per their definition;

 skin, hide, or pelt of a bear means the entire external covering with claws attached.

So no, a 3Ē strip of hide wonít cut it.

Why is everyone so against bringing a bear hide to a fish and game office?
Idaho requires the same for wolves and I donít recall anyone complaining about it.
Per what definition? Letís see a link.

In Idaho you only have to take a small portion of the hide with the proof of sex attached for both a bear and wolf. And here are their regs.

Iím against packing a 40-60# hide with skull and paws attached 5-10 miles out on my back when I have killed enough bears, and only want the meat and skull. There is zero chance WDFW would win this case based on their own wording if you showed up with a Ďpatch.í

I will keep hunting Idaho in the spring anyways since I will never draw again. This state is a joke.




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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #92 on: March 25, 2021, 05:45:36 AM »
I will comply spring pelt requirements.
If drawn or harvest..........
But will say I don't see any good from it.
Look at harvest reports now. Based off of that spring bear permits should of doubled or tripled by now.
So even with this requirement unless I see a HUGE number of spring bear permits next year.
Waste of time........ :twocents:

And to add ...... I don't look down on any hunter that doesn't want to report. I don't really see any difference in harvest a male or female it's not illegal to harvest a female that I know of. Reporting requirements such as this just gives anti's fuel to try and shut down the hunt. WDFW is happy to do it.
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2021, 08:01:14 AM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

Per their definition;

 skin, hide, or pelt of a bear means the entire external covering with claws attached.

So no, a 3Ē strip of hide wonít cut it.

Why is everyone so against bringing a bear hide to a fish and game office?
Idaho requires the same for wolves and I donít recall anyone complaining about it.
Per what definition? Letís see a link.

In Idaho you only have to take a small portion of the hide with the proof of sex attached for both a bear and wolf. And here are their regs.

Iím against packing a 40-60# hide with skull and paws attached 5-10 miles out on my back when I have killed enough bears, and only want the meat and skull. There is zero chance WDFW would win this case based on their own wording if you showed up with a Ďpatch.í

I will keep hunting Idaho in the spring anyways since I will never draw again. This state is a joke.




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I canít even see in Washington regs where it explains how and where to submit the ďpeltĒ besides a number to call. It would be. A shame to get home and be told to travel back across the state for submission or something. I do think since they donít specifically state the entire pelt including... then they have no legal ground. Iíll be trying to get this figured out before my hunt itís just frustrating.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2021, 08:06:16 AM »
Had to do this in SE Alaska for as long as I can recall. Not an issue. Although the Alaska sealing requirements say the claws and proof of sex must remain naturally attached until sealed. They take a premolar for aging.

Iím happy to help them collect data.

So in Alaska a strip 3Ē wide from proof of sex to a claw would work?

Per their definition;

 skin, hide, or pelt of a bear means the entire external covering with claws attached.

So no, a 3Ē strip of hide wonít cut it.

Why is everyone so against bringing a bear hide to a fish and game office?
Idaho requires the same for wolves and I donít recall anyone complaining about it.
Per what definition? Letís see a link.

In Idaho you only have to take a small portion of the hide with the proof of sex attached for both a bear and wolf. And here are their regs.

Iím against packing a 40-60# hide with skull and paws attached 5-10 miles out on my back when I have killed enough bears, and only want the meat and skull. There is zero chance WDFW would win this case based on their own wording if you showed up with a Ďpatch.í

I will keep hunting Idaho in the spring anyways since I will never draw again. This state is a joke.




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I canít even see in Washington regs where it explains how and where to submit the ďpeltĒ besides a number to call. It would be. A shame to get home and be told to travel back across the state for submission or something. I do think since they donít specifically state the entire pelt including... then they have no legal ground. Iíll be trying to get this figured out before my hunt itís just frustrating.
Agreed. If you take 99% is that still a Ďpelt.í What about 95%? Now 50%? At what point does it not become a pelt? 😂


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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2021, 08:45:53 AM »
Exactly.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2021, 10:30:41 AM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #97 on: March 25, 2021, 11:46:07 AM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2021, 12:04:48 PM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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:yeah:Same, that is the most I will pack out IF, big IF the hide is crap.  I guess I'll see what happens, but it's surly not poaching like some on here have said.
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2021, 08:35:21 PM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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:yeah:Same, that is the most I will pack out IF, big IF the hide is crap.  I guess I'll see what happens, but it's surly not poaching like some on here have said.

Agreed agreed agreed. You would think someone high up reads these boards and could chime in. If itís a horrible hide way back in Iíll bring out proof of everything. I will call it in and if they say you must provide the entire hide. Then I guess I was unsuccessful. Because as I read the requirements. That is whatís required. 

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2021, 10:02:31 PM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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:yeah:Same, that is the most I will pack out IF, big IF the hide is crap.  I guess I'll see what happens, but it's surly not poaching like some on here have said.
RCW 77.15.280 is simply a misdemeanor in 2021 spring bear regs. 
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2021, 11:26:27 PM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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:yeah:Same, that is the most I will pack out IF, big IF the hide is crap.  I guess I'll see what happens, but it's surly not poaching like some on here have said.
RCW 77.15.280 is simply a misdemeanor in 2021 spring bear regs.

So... not for nothing... if you brought out all the tits 6? 8? and nothing else because the  fur sucked or you didn't care about the hide should this not be sufficient?  are you willing to risk a misdemeanor and or a strike against your hunting record to make a point of this issue?

First not many folks drew this, second I hope most folks don't shoot a sow, 3rd I hope those that shoot a sow don't shoot a lactating one... That said IF  you drew and harvested are you willing to risk a strike against yourself and an $250 fine? Are you willing to spend some $ to make a point on this issue?

I say this not because I endorse this, but because I know others that have risked much higher fines and risks to take Wildlife issues to court. To my knowledge the state has NOT clarified this issue. You can AGREE with the spirit and DISAGREE with the implementation.   Anti Folks are willing to fight this fight in the courts... Are you willing to fight it? In a rural court? In an Urban court?
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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #102 on: March 25, 2021, 11:33:33 PM »
They'll get enough pelt to do want they need ti do. if its a boar they'll get a scrotum.  If it's a sow they'll get a patch with a vulva in it.

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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2021, 07:32:00 AM »
Im curious if anyone will take the spirit of the rule and just bring the nipple region.

I understand the spirit of the rule change, but like most things test cases are necessary to to force change /clarification. This seems to be a failing of ours that the anti/animal rights groups dont suffer from. 

Im not making an endorsement one way or the other as to what action to take, But the vibe ive gotten from this discussion is either compliance or nonreporting. When will we organize and utilize legal means to fight back.

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If I had the spring tag again this year and I was hunting the backcountry where I have packed them out in the past (5-10 miles in) AND I wasnít happy with the hide, I would pack a roughly 12Ēx12Ē patch of hide with proof of sex attached along with the skull and meat of course.

Since I donít have the tag, itís a moot point. When I go to Idaho this year and if I kill a bear, that is exactly what I will pack out for them (which is 100% legal per their F&G).


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:yeah:Same, that is the most I will pack out IF, big IF the hide is crap.  I guess I'll see what happens, but it's surly not poaching like some on here have said.
RCW 77.15.280 is simply a misdemeanor in 2021 spring bear regs.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.280

Hahaha. Throwing out RCWís like this one has an impact... 🙄 A regulation/law must be clearly defined, and this one is not. That is why it will never hold up in court. I am 100% prepared to pay to defend myself if necessary, but Iím sure it will be challenged before I have a spring bear tag in this state again.


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Re: Spring Bear Pelt Submission
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2021, 07:45:34 AM »
I hope people shoot whatever bear they want. Besides a sow WITh Cubs. The idea of the spring bear hunt is to reduce the bear population I thought. You do that best by killing sows. Do people want more predators or less? If you want less you would be passing a boar for a sow. I like the great bear hunting we have but I would prefer if the deer, elk and moose hunting was better personally.

 


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