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Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« on: March 10, 2021, 09:06:42 AM »
Seems everyone is seriously jacking up their prices.  Now if you want to hunt or fish on Reservation land, such as the southern end of Lake C'dA, you have pay some hefty prices.  Hunting License went from $10 to $600 if you do not live on the reservation.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2021, 10:33:12 AM »
Isn't this in addition to state licenses?

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2021, 10:35:32 AM »
Isn't this in addition to state licenses?

Yes
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2021, 12:56:10 PM »
That's too bad.  It used to be seriously inexpensive to hunt that reservation.

That is what we call a "go away price."  (There is a more colorful term, you get the idea.)

Many tribes simply do not sell hunting licenses anymore.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2021, 01:22:58 PM »
Does anyone know for certain if Colville offers this for those living on Reservation that are NOT tribal members?
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2021, 04:06:03 PM »
Crap! my friend told me about this and i was hoping it was just a rumor  :chuckle: if you are not tribal member but live within reservation boundaries on your private land do you get the lower price? Last I heard the tribe didnt even have a game warden working last year   

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2021, 04:07:01 PM »
Does anyone know for certain if Colville offers this for those living on Reservation that are NOT tribal members?
     

this is for coeur d alene tribe

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2021, 07:09:27 PM »
Yes, I qualify for the resident Senior/Military rate.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2021, 07:50:06 PM »
No the colvilles do not.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2021, 08:28:08 PM »
Yes, I qualify for the resident Senior/Military rate.
 

 :tup: Good for you Fred fifty is not too bad. If they enforce this should cut down a bunch on the crowds

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2021, 09:19:53 AM »
Not sure if it is true, but supposedly they have hired 3 new Game Wardens....but again, I'm not sure if this is correct information or not.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2021, 07:30:02 PM »
Tribe and IDFG disagree as to where the tribal permit is required.  IDFG says per federal law you would not need one if you are on Private, State or Federal land even if they are within the reservation boundary.  The tribe claims you need one on all of those properties if they are within the boundary of the reservation.  IDFG told me they do not know if the tribe will enforce the law on those properties.  Am I just supposed to take my chances? Hope they don't come and confiscate my guns, game, truck or all of them?

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2021, 11:31:51 AM »
Yep, I was told the same thing by IDFG, private property is not required to have the tribal permit.  Could be interesting this fall.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2021, 05:37:50 PM »
Not sure if it is true, but supposedly they have hired 3 new Game Wardens....but again, I'm not sure if this is correct information or not.

What do you mean when you say "Game Wardens" is it tribal Game wardens? I heard that there was 3 "federal" Game Wardens hired to patrol the Rez, but I don't have much confidence in my source.  Tribal, State and Federal Game Wardens are 3 totally different things.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2021, 06:42:55 PM »
Not sure if it is true, but supposedly they have hired 3 new Game Wardens....but again, I'm not sure if this is correct information or not.
What do you mean when you say "Game Wardens" is it tribal Game wardens? I heard that there was 3 "federal" Game Wardens hired to patrol the Rez, but I don't have much confidence in my source.  Tribal, State and Federal Game Wardens are 3 totally different things.
They would be tribal game wardens. They may be deputized by USFWS like all state game wardens are, but they will be employed by the tribe.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2021, 08:39:44 PM »
Wow, shocked to read this. Mixed feelings.

We do live on the CDA tribal reservation, and we hunt deer and elk right on our place. Up until now it's been a free-for-all with NR and non-reservation residents. No one cared about this permit--many hunted without it, but you better believe the tribe WILL BE ENFORCING THIS given the monies involved.
This may help to weed out the endless road hunters here -- ended up with a bullet hole in my shop just last year.
Hate to see things get this expensive, even we rez residents will be paying a lot more if we want to chase game around our acreages, but like everything else things were getting out of hand in Idaho.

People from Hayden and everywhere else that commence on our hills once a year would feel 100% the same if the tables were turned and we were constantly hunting and shooting around their places. Many residents around here feel that it's a 'offer nothing' and 'take everything' scenario every single year around here.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2021, 01:02:47 AM »
Does anyone know where the tribe is getting their authority to regulate hunting and fishing on privately owned land?  I thought that US. vs Montana showed that they had no authority to regulate on private owned land on the reservation.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2021, 09:33:55 PM »
Does anyone know where the tribe is getting their authority to regulate hunting and fishing on privately owned land?  I thought that US. vs Montana showed that they had no authority to regulate on private owned land on the reservation.


 :yeah:Good question. The problem I see is once you’re in tribal court you’re in tribal court and pretty much will have to play by there rules. It’s going to be interesting as a lot of hunters never purchased the license when it was only like 10 dollars. I always bought it if I hunted there but also always wondered why they were so cheap. It was inevitable with what other reservations charge. Maybe they will manage it better with higher costs and it could end up being worth the 600?

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2021, 06:31:05 AM »
Does anyone know where the tribe is getting their authority to regulate hunting and fishing on privately owned land?  I thought that US. vs Montana showed that they had no authority to regulate on private owned land on the reservation.


 :yeah:Good question. The problem I see is once you’re in tribal court you’re in tribal court and pretty much will have to play by there rules. It’s going to be interesting as a lot of hunters never purchased the license when it was only like 10 dollars. I always bought it if I hunted there but also always wondered why they were so cheap. It was inevitable with what other reservations charge. Maybe they will manage it better with higher costs and it could end up being worth the 600?
I think it vary from state to state ,look at Washington ,WDFW has no control over reservation wildlife laws. They work "Together" to come up with some kind of plan.
So I wouldn't expect any changes anytime soon.
As it sounds like this was a non resident loop hole.
Pay to play is what hunting has become.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2021, 08:02:34 PM »
Wondering if anyone has heard of any conflicts with the tribe yet this season.  IDFG still disagrees with the tribes stance on where the permit is required.  I know lots of guys who said screw it and are hunting private( timber company) land within the Rez and are not paying the increased tribal fee.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2021, 08:22:29 AM »
Haven't heard anything yet.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2021, 08:44:55 AM »
Is anyone hunting without this?  Has anyone been stopped on private land?  Is anyone going to hunt without the permit?

According to at least 1 county DA the tribe cannot put a non-native into tribal court, it has to go to federal court.  Any truth to this?

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2021, 09:04:28 AM »
Yes, I qualify for the resident Senior/Military rate.

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2021, 09:05:48 AM »
I think the tribes can only try non-native in limited domestic violence cases, where a native woman is attacked by a non-native partner.

Other than that SCOTUS says tribes cannot try non-natives, thus they hold you and refer it to another non-native agency for stuff like dui.

What I don't know is if CDA tribal police are cross deputized, then they could enforce against native and non-native alike, and take you to the appropriate court

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2021, 02:14:26 PM »
Is anyone hunting without this?  Has anyone been stopped on private land?  Is anyone going to hunt without the permit?

According to at least 1 county DA the tribe cannot put a non-native into tribal court, it has to go to federal court.  Any truth to this?
 

I am not going to hunt the rez without a tribal permit, so I wont be hunting down there. Word on the street is a lot of people are going to hunt the timber company other private with out it. I think it will be interesting. I choose to let someone else test the waters  :chuckle: I hope people post up anything they find out about it-I am interested to see how it goes   

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2021, 07:51:38 PM »
Is anyone hunting without this?  Has anyone been stopped on private land?  Is anyone going to hunt without the permit?

According to at least 1 county DA the tribe cannot put a non-native into tribal court, it has to go to federal court.  Any truth to this?
 

I am not going to hunt the rez without a tribal permit, so I wont be hunting down there. Word on the street is a lot of people are going to hunt the timber company other private with out it. I think it will be interesting. I choose to let someone else test the waters  :chuckle: I hope people post up anything they find out about it-I am interested to see how it goes
I figured if there would be problems it would happen during archery elk in September.  I know a ton of people who are hunting Private/ Timber land on the Rez. 

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2021, 08:02:05 PM »
This is a nothing burger.  The Tribe does not have authority to regulate non tribal member hunting on fee simple lands even if they are within the bounds of the reservation.  Tribal court jurisdiction is a very messy subject of law - as pointed out in a recent SCOTUS case - however, if there were an issue - as a non-member you would almost certainly end up in federal court...but none of that applies to anyone simply hunting with a valid Idaho license on non-tribal owned lands within the bounds of the reservation. 

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2021, 08:38:11 PM »
This is a nothing burger.  The Tribe does not have authority to regulate non tribal member hunting on fee simple lands even if they are within the bounds of the reservation.  Tribal court jurisdiction is a very messy subject of law - as pointed out in a recent SCOTUS case - however, if there were an issue - as a non-member you would almost certainly end up in federal court...but none of that applies to anyone simply hunting with a valid Idaho license on non-tribal owned lands within the bounds of the reservation.

Do you have a source on this id like to read it

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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2021, 09:00:28 PM »
This is a nothing burger.  The Tribe does not have authority to regulate non tribal member hunting on fee simple lands even if they are within the bounds of the reservation.  Tribal court jurisdiction is a very messy subject of law - as pointed out in a recent SCOTUS case - however, if there were an issue - as a non-member you would almost certainly end up in federal court...but none of that applies to anyone simply hunting with a valid Idaho license on non-tribal owned lands within the bounds of the reservation.

Do you have a source on this id like to read it
Yep... Montana v. United States, 450 U.S. 544 (1981)

Bottom line - SCOTUS addressed this exact question in 1981.  CDA Tribe can assert whatever they want...they are not going to be regulating private or non-tribal lands even if they are within reservation bounds.
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Re: Coeur d'Alene Tribal Hunting fee Increase
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2021, 09:23:38 PM »
This is a nothing burger.  The Tribe does not have authority to regulate non tribal member hunting on fee simple lands even if they are within the bounds of the reservation.  Tribal court jurisdiction is a very messy subject of law - as pointed out in a recent SCOTUS case - however, if there were an issue - as a non-member you would almost certainly end up in federal court...but none of that applies to anyone simply hunting with a valid Idaho license on non-tribal owned lands within the bounds of the reservation.

Do you have a source on this id like to read it
Yep... Montana v. United States, 450 U.S. 544 (1981)

Bottom line - SCOTUS addressed this exact question in 1981.  CDA Tribe can assert whatever they want...they are not going to be regulating private or non-tribal lands even if they are within reservation bounds.

Thanks I read through it. I guess in washington the wdfw just doesn't have any open seasons within the boundaries of the bigger reservations so thats why no nontribal hunting on fee lands occur in washington

 


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