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Offline Oh Mah

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wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« on: March 28, 2021, 12:31:27 AM »
We all know that at this time we can't get exactly what we want every time for our reloading or ammo period for that matter,Now i just got thru reloading some 6.5 creedmoor on my Dillon 550 c.It took me about 2.5 hours to do 50 rounds.

This is what i did.

I set up the sizing die,no problem.I go to primer it and nope.Problem=I bought Peterson Brass  :bash: it has small primer pockets.So i pull the primer system all off and redo it for small primer get done with that all is good........ nope.chased the powder charge on every 3 to 4 loads. H4350 doesn't meter too well at all. last thing,Darn RCBS (WHICH I LOVE TO USE) DID NOT HAVE THE CRIMP DIE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN IT IN IT.  :chuckle:
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2021, 12:35:32 AM »
PS: i USED BARNES LRX BULLETS AND EVER ONE OF THE SHAVED OFF A RING WHEN PUSHING THEM IN.I KEPT HAVING TO BLOW THE PRESS OFF TO KEEP THE LITTLE COPPER RINGS CLEARED OFF THE PRESS.  :bash:

Loads are done all is good  :chuckle: a bad night reloading is better than work any day.  :tup:
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2021, 06:08:46 AM »
If you bell the end of the brass just BARELY, you won't shave the bullet.  And why are you crimping 6.5 creedmoor?  Just curious.  Is it in an AR platform?  Even then the 6.5 doesn't have much recoil.  The case neck tension should be plenty without crimping.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2021, 08:00:24 AM »
What he said. And, you REALLY don’t want to ‘modify’ the bullet at all, depending on the accuracy you are looking for.
If you don’t want to bell the mouth at all try chamfering the inside. Might be just a bit of a ridge there.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2021, 08:04:48 AM »
Peterson makes large rifle and small rifle primer 6.5 Creedmoor. You just buy the one you want.

Also, Peterson brass is a bit thicker than most others, so if using it for the first time you’d need to develop a load.

I’m kind of lost on why you loaded 50 rounds with new brass, new dies, ect.... Seems like a recipe for use of a bullet puller.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2021, 08:12:11 AM by Chesapeake »

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2021, 08:12:24 AM »
Loads are done all is good  :chuckle: a bad night reloading is better than work any day.  :tup:

:yeah:

For 50 rounds, I wouldn't bother with a powder measure.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2021, 08:22:31 AM »
great comments.

1) no where on the box of brass does it say anything about primer size,all brass for 6.5 creedmoor has always been large rifle primers...........until now for me that is.

2)putting a bell in it sounds like a great idea,what do you use to do that on 6.5 creedmoor?

3)I usually crimp all my ammo for consistency.If for any reason at all it did not start straight in the hole the crimp will close any part of it that is off.(wont straighten a crook bullet but will close any crack in the mouth) IMHO.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2021, 08:25:48 AM »
If your shaving bullets upon seating you need to chamfer the cases.  I never bell rifle / necked cases.....I only bell straight wall cases.  As for powder metering....if you want ultra accurate, I would not load on a progressive press.  You can do powder charges separately and dump them in the 550 one at a time for consistency.  I would have no problem loading with minor inconsistencies if I had a wide enough node that it would likely not matter out to 500-600 yards.   

Crimping is a whole other argument that a lot of guys like to have.  I personally do not crimp rounds for a bolt action rifle.  If this is for an AR....well that debate can ensue...LOL. 

Good luck and happy loading.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2021, 08:30:18 AM »
Don't know about belling case mouth, but some use Lyman - VLD chamfer/reamer tool designed for such bullets.  Lee factory crimp dies are almost too easy to not use.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2021, 08:34:05 AM »
 :tup: i agree,did not even think that could have been the problem,As obvious as it is.

as for the powder,i did use thru powder dies and measured with RCBS loadmaster each load but chased and spooned out what needed and trickled what was needed all the way thru.H4350 just dont meter well.That i will remember as i made a note of it in my charting.  :tup:
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2021, 08:35:11 AM »
Don't know about belling case mouth, but some use Lyman - VLD chamfer/reamer tool designed for such bullets.  Lee factory crimp dies are almost too easy to not use.
exactly on the 2 easy part.way to easy to help with sealing the load.  :tup:
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2021, 09:16:23 AM »
i try to never make assumptions about primer size any more, when deciding on a new pistol caliber last year i went with a 10mm over a .357 mag because 10mm are supposed to be large primer, and i could share with my .45 colt.  went and bought a bunch of blazer brass case ammo so i could reload it, open a box and it's all small primer  :bash:

i pretty much chamfer all of my rifle cases.  i don't usually buy "premium" brass so a lot of times cases are kind of boogered up looking.

if i was loading rifle on a progressive press, i'd probably go with a spherical powder.  hard to get stick powders to measure well on a powder thrower, before i bought my chargemaster i used to set my powder measure about a grain low and trickle up to my desired charge weight...
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2021, 09:35:35 AM »
new brass or newly trimmed brass needs the mouth edges chamfered.   4350 does not meter well.  It needs to be weighed or one might get an overload when it bridges and then the measure clears itself.  I'd look at a shorter length stick powder or a spherical powder for use in your Dillon.

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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2021, 08:02:58 PM »
Could have been the “Crap Barnes bullet curse”. It’s been know to be very prevalent in the moist northwestern region of the US.
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Re: wow,i gotta rant about this a little
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2021, 07:28:59 PM »
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
A empty vessel makes the most noise.

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