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Offline Rainier10

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #165 on: December 29, 2021, 11:08:18 AM »
Serious question.

Is there anything that prevents the tribes from going in a "managing" the various predators?
The simple answer is no.  While I'm always an advocate of cooperative management of a shared resource, it may be to everyone's interest for Tribes to take a leading role given WDFW is handicapped by state policies/politics/initiatives.

Thanks.  Follow up.  Is there anything that prevent the tribes from "deputizing" non tribal members to help with such and effort?
I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another one recently but I believe it was stated that it is possible on the reservation but not on ceded land/off the reservations.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #166 on: December 29, 2021, 11:20:44 AM »
Serious question.

Is there anything that prevents the tribes from going in a "managing" the various predators?
The simple answer is no.  While I'm always an advocate of cooperative management of a shared resource, it may be to everyone's interest for Tribes to take a leading role given WDFW is handicapped by state policies/politics/initiatives.

Thanks.  Follow up.  Is there anything that prevent the tribes from "deputizing" non tribal members to help with such and effort?
I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another one recently but I believe it was stated that it is possible on the reservation but not on ceded land/off the reservations.

That's too bad.  If  the tribes could define some sort to of limited "social membership" status it would be a great way to help each other out and end run politics.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #167 on: December 29, 2021, 12:56:59 PM »
Serious question.

Is there anything that prevents the tribes from going in a "managing" the various predators?
The simple answer is no.  While I'm always an advocate of cooperative management of a shared resource, it may be to everyone's interest for Tribes to take a leading role given WDFW is handicapped by state policies/politics/initiatives.

Thanks.  Follow up.  Is there anything that prevent the tribes from "deputizing" non tribal members to help with such and effort?
I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another one recently but I believe it was stated that it is possible on the reservation but not on ceded land/off the reservations.

That's too bad.  If  the tribes could define some sort to of limited "social membership" status it would be a great way to help each other out and end run politics.
Correct...no 'deputuzing' or granting treaty rights to non tribal members.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #168 on: December 29, 2021, 08:40:42 PM »
Serious question.

Is there anything that prevents the tribes from going in a "managing" the various predators?
The simple answer is no.  While I'm always an advocate of cooperative management of a shared resource, it may be to everyone's interest for Tribes to take a leading role given WDFW is handicapped by state policies/politics/initiatives.
That looks to be the direction things are heading in slowly. Non-tribal and tribal hunters building a cooperative bridge towards sustainable wildlife management for harvest would certainly accelerate this process and possibly maybe force the state into a corner.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #169 on: December 29, 2021, 08:49:28 PM »
Serious question.

Is there anything that prevents the tribes from going in a "managing" the various predators?
The simple answer is no.  While I'm always an advocate of cooperative management of a shared resource, it may be to everyone's interest for Tribes to take a leading role given WDFW is handicapped by state policies/politics/initiatives.
That looks to be the direction things are heading in slowly. Non-tribal and tribal hunters building a cooperative bridge towards sustainable wildlife management for harvest would certainly accelerate this process and possibly maybe force the state into a corner.
 

Native Americans could be a huge asset. Have to figure out a way to incentivize them to focus on predators for a few years. They could use hounds in the blues as long as they are tribal members I think?

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #170 on: December 29, 2021, 10:28:40 PM »
$500 per predatorÖ. Who is starting the fund?


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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #171 on: December 29, 2021, 10:43:22 PM »
problem with wdfw cougar quota is its a joke! come Jan 1 there will be several units on the eastide closed due to the quota being met. One year unit 105 was 5 cats! thats a joke! there are places that 1 mountain has 5 cats

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #172 on: December 30, 2021, 03:41:03 AM »
I hate to do this to the thread.

E-bikes
One word problem, you all love them .
Reap the rewards
Elk down there are no secret ,and now add easy access .
Bye Bye elk.
I know I'm a joy kill sometimes. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #173 on: December 31, 2021, 10:02:27 AM »
E bikes in the blues ? You clearly have never been there.  There are very few spots a bike could get you anywhere near an elk in the blues.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #174 on: December 31, 2021, 11:10:26 AM »
$500 per predatorÖ. Who is starting the fund?


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I don't see a need for a monetary incentive, they're motivated to hunt predators for the same reasons non tribal are.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #175 on: December 31, 2021, 11:53:06 AM »
I hate to do this to the thread.

E-bikes
One word problem, you all love them .
Reap the rewards
Elk down there are no secret ,and now add easy access .
Bye Bye elk.
I know I'm a joy kill sometimes. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #177 on: January 04, 2022, 02:12:55 PM »
Let's hope they grant it!  Thanks for sharing, elkchaser.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #178 on: January 04, 2022, 02:41:44 PM »
How will it really help? Iíve personally spent many many days and hours glassing those mountains and yet to see a cat?? Years Iíve been all over the wenaha, hiked many miles and no cats, I just donít get it!!  I know, I should say, I believe all the info about cats being a huge problem, I believe they are most likely the biggest prob, mostly because a guide I know over there says so. But Iím not a horrible hunter and Iíve taken a bunch of bears and seen one wolf, but never had the opportunity to take a cat. If they opened up cougar hunting year round with NO limits, would it really make a dent? Or is this just an easy way for WDFW to show they are trying to help when itís not a drop in the bucket?  Just a thought here.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #179 on: January 04, 2022, 03:05:12 PM »
E bikes in the blues ? You clearly have never been there.  There are very few spots a bike could get you anywhere near an elk in the blues.
Your right ,never been there.
I'm looking on onx though ,maybe I need to go there.👍
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