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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #180 on: January 04, 2022, 05:40:36 PM »
How will it really help? Iíve personally spent many many days and hours glassing those mountains and yet to see a cat?? Years Iíve been all over the wenaha, hiked many miles and no cats, I just donít get it!!  I know, I should say, I believe all the info about cats being a huge problem, I believe they are most likely the biggest prob, mostly because a guide I know over there says so. But Iím not a horrible hunter and Iíve taken a bunch of bears and seen one wolf, but never had the opportunity to take a cat. If they opened up cougar hunting year round with NO limits, would it really make a dent? Or is this just an easy way for WDFW to show they are trying to help when itís not a drop in the bucket?  Just a thought here.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #181 on: January 04, 2022, 06:24:14 PM »
01/04/2022
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #182 on: January 04, 2022, 06:32:34 PM »
If they opened cats up for hunting at night and removed the quota youíd see some cats hitting the dirt in a hurry.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #183 on: January 04, 2022, 10:12:06 PM »
How will it really help? Iíve personally spent many many days and hours glassing those mountains and yet to see a cat?? Years Iíve been all over the wenaha, hiked many miles and no cats, I just donít get it!!  I know, I should say, I believe all the info about cats being a huge problem, I believe they are most likely the biggest prob, mostly because a guide I know over there says so. But Iím not a horrible hunter and Iíve taken a bunch of bears and seen one wolf, but never had the opportunity to take a cat. If they opened up cougar hunting year round with NO limits, would it really make a dent? Or is this just an easy way for WDFW to show they are trying to help when itís not a drop in the bucket?  Just a thought here.

last time I had a elk tag there I had a cam on a ridge and had 3 different cats walk by in the summer and early fall in the wide open in the daylight. They are there just low odds to get a shot. I am going to try in january as we are getting lots of snow and the elk and deer are going to be super concentrated.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #184 on: January 05, 2022, 02:56:53 AM »
The cougar population was way high in blues when I was hunting the region in the early 00's. I don't doubt the recent data obtained, but if this were consistent for the past 20 years the elk pop decline would be greater than it currently is, as that calf kill rate is completely insustainable. Guess what I'm getting at is if there has been a shift with the prey focus of the cougar pop in the region, what's the cause?
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #185 on: January 05, 2022, 07:39:20 AM »
The cougar population in the blues is significantly higher now than it was in the early 2000ís.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #186 on: January 05, 2022, 09:08:10 AM »
Advocate for if youíre a licensed trapper and have a cougar tag to be able to trap your cat ! Just being able to trap ( and a NO quota on cougar ) would help put a good dent in density populations

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #187 on: January 10, 2022, 04:33:46 PM »
The cougar population in the blues is significantly higher now than it was in the early 2000ís.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #189 on: January 23, 2022, 08:59:26 AM »
And cougar hunting is now closed in these units that are struggling with calf recruitment because of the cougar population. :bash: :bash: :bash:

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #190 on: January 23, 2022, 11:06:39 AM »
The cougar population was way high in blues when I was hunting the region in the early 00's. I don't doubt the recent data obtained, but if this were consistent for the past 20 years the elk pop decline would be greater than it currently is, as that calf kill rate is completely insustainable. Guess what I'm getting at is if there has been a shift with the prey focus of the cougar pop in the region, what's the cause?

I would suspect the following scenario: Deer are normally the number one prey for cougar, but in areas where there are more elk than deer cougar will focus on elk. Hunter accounts in this topic mention how the deer have disappeared in the blues (probably due to over predation by cats) now the cats have to shift to elk.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #191 on: January 23, 2022, 11:45:20 AM »
Deer havenít been plentiful in the Blues since at least 2010 and probably further back than that. At least not in the mountains. In the foothills and farm country there was always more deer,  but even that population is nosediving. In 2013 I had 5 different lions on one camera 100í off of a crp field in the farm country/foothills. One was collared as part of a study 5 ish years earlier and I canít remember how many miles away. More than a couple miles away.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #192 on: January 23, 2022, 12:22:11 PM »
Iíd say the deer numbers in the blues have been declining since probably the 90ís and have gotten substantially worse the last 10 to 15 years.

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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #193 on: January 23, 2022, 12:26:03 PM »
It's raining cats, dogs and bears on our big game.
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Re: Blues Elk Substantial Decline and the Root Cause
« Reply #194 on: January 24, 2022, 11:29:31 AM »
The cougar population was way high in blues when I was hunting the region in the early 00's. I don't doubt the recent data obtained, but if this were consistent for the past 20 years the elk pop decline would be greater than it currently is, as that calf kill rate is completely insustainable. Guess what I'm getting at is if there has been a shift with the prey focus of the cougar pop in the region, what's the cause?

I would suspect the following scenario: Deer are normally the number one prey for cougar, but in areas where there are more elk than deer cougar will focus on elk. Hunter accounts in this topic mention how the deer have disappeared in the blues (probably due to over predation by cats) now the cats have to shift to elk.

This is spot on.   :yeah:  I don't even go to the mountains anymore for deer.  In fact, the only thing I have gone up there for the past few years is bear hunting. 
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