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Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« on: September 29, 2021, 09:51:30 AM »
Hey Gang, many of us have double or triple-pane windows that have lost their seal over the 20-30 years they've been around. Window replacement guys come around and show you how great new replacements will look, offering credit and always, "good guy discounts" with any hesitancy from the homeowner on the sticker shock for such a job. If you're thinking of selling a home, this may be just one project of many that you're planning. Don't do it! There's another way (sorry if there are any window replacement sponsors on here).

Call your local glass company and ask for pricing on new panes. The panes are sealed, so removing the old panes and replacing with new panes restores the windows to their original benefit, and for about 1/5th of the cost of full window replacements. They cut the molding inside the frame (from inside and outside the home), pull out the old panes and put in the new. We just had this done for all of the windows in the original house - 4 large double-pane, 2-sided (sliders) - for $1500 installed with a veteran discount on materials. It took all of about 30 minutes per window.

A good mortgage guy in conjunction with an honest contractor can save you lots of money on home improvements because of prior experience with house prep for sale or just plain improvements that you need.  :tup:
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2021, 10:07:48 AM »
Damn. I could have used this advice a couple months and $14k ago. 40 year old house with aluminum framed windows needed an upgrade. Got 10 new windows and 2 sliders all trimmed. Hopefully someone will benefit from your sage advice.

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2021, 10:12:17 AM »
Damn. I could have used this advice a couple months and $14k ago. 40 year old house with aluminum framed windows needed an upgrade. Got 10 new windows and 2 sliders all trimmed. Hopefully someone will benefit from your sage advice.

This one I just learned myself. Sorry!
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2021, 10:15:47 AM »
great tip- thank you!

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2021, 10:18:37 AM »
Damn. I could have used this advice a couple months and $14k ago. 40 year old house with aluminum framed windows needed an upgrade. Got 10 new windows and 2 sliders all trimmed. Hopefully someone will benefit from your sage advice.

This one I just learned myself. Sorry!

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2021, 10:20:34 AM »
Yup, my cousin replaces windows, I broke one of my panes and he had it replaced in 1/2 hour and 125 or 150 bucks. The well water we have has ruined all our windows, tried acid had a professional come out and they said we will have to replace all of them.  I'll do a few at a time before we sell.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2021, 10:26:54 AM »
We did something similar to what you did Pianoman. Similar work on south facing windows. The wife comes home tonight I can have her find the receipt.

Yes, I was shocked at what replacing a whole window costs, so we just replaced a few panes. They worked on some windows trying to get them to slide up and down better. That was a waste of time. Basically some of the sliding windows in our manufactured home will never be able to go up and down easily because they are not square anymore.

We have a really nice, well taken care of 20 year old manufactured home....but its still a manufactured home.

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2021, 10:34:17 AM »
Hey, pianoman.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you upgrade the double-pane-aluminum-framed windows in a 40-year-old house with vinyl, you basically could re-coup the cost when you sold the house.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2021, 10:35:04 AM »
I’ve done this a couple times, kid broke one, and a gutter broke one. Had a company come replace the outside pane.

Have one now that lost its seal, but it doesn’t bother me.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2021, 10:38:12 AM »
We did something similar to what you did Pianoman. Similar work on south facing windows. The wife comes home tonight I can have her find the receipt.

Yes, I was shocked at what replacing a whole window costs, so we just replaced a few panes. They worked on some windows trying to get them to slide up and down better. That was a waste of time. Basically some of the sliding windows in our manufactured home will never be able to go up and down easily because they are not square anymore.

We have a really nice, well taken care of 20 year old manufactured home....but its still a manufactured home.

There nothing wrong with manufactured homes. There are even a few lenders who will refi them or fund purchases if they're still on their original foundation. And their value, although not the same as a stick built house, still increases as long as they're kept up.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2021, 10:39:56 AM »
Hey, pianoman.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you upgrade the double-pane-aluminum-framed windows in a 40-year-old house with vinyl, you basically could re-coup the cost when you sold the house.

If you're talking about an energy improvement tax credit, I believe you're correct. But I'm not a tax advisor, so you should ask your accountant or give the IRS a call.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2021, 10:42:23 AM »
I used to work in a window factory. Here's another tip.....NEVER pay for the argon gas. It's a scam.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2021, 10:43:50 AM »
I used to work in a window factory. Here's another tip.....NEVER pay for the argon gas. It's a scam.

Good to know.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2021, 10:47:50 AM »
Hey, pianoman.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you upgrade the double-pane-aluminum-framed windows in a 40-year-old house with vinyl, you basically could re-coup the cost when you sold the house.

If you're talking about an energy improvement tax credit, I believe you're correct. But I'm not a tax advisor, so you should ask your accountant or give the IRS a call.

No, I'm just basically talking about spending say, $18,000, for vinyl replacement windows.  When the time comes to sell the house, it will be worth around $18k more than it would have been with the old aluminum-framed windows.  Or so I've been told...................
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2021, 10:55:45 AM »
We have Milgard windows and they are coming out next week to replace 2 panes that have lost their seal.

Installed in 2005 and they are replacing for free as they are covered under warranty, I was expecting to pay a couple hundred for the two glass pieces to be replaced. Point is if you are original owner or know who installed them call and ask, might get a nice surprise.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2021, 10:58:24 AM »
Hey, pianoman.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you upgrade the double-pane-aluminum-framed windows in a 40-year-old house with vinyl, you basically could re-coup the cost when you sold the house.

If you're talking about an energy improvement tax credit, I believe you're correct. But I'm not a tax advisor, so you should ask your accountant or give the IRS a call.

No, I'm just basically talking about spending say, $18,000, for vinyl replacement windows.  When the time comes to sell the house, it will be worth around $18k more than it would have been with the old aluminum-framed windows.  Or so I've been told...................

If you're thinking about selling consider a couple of things. First, if the house passes inspection without the replacements, you save the $18K by not replacing. Secondly, improvements rarely raise the value of the home enough to cover their cost. Lastly, especially in a seller's market, you can take your highest bid (which lately has been 10-15% over asking) and if the inspection shows replacement is necessary, you can negotiate the value with the buyer as a seller concession. They want the house. if the estimate on the windows is $18K, they're likely to take far less as a seller concession. Remember that unless the windows are visibly damaged, the appraisal is unlikely to be affected. And, the lender cares about the appraisal and normally doesn't require a home inspection. Inspections are for the buyer's benefit and peace of mind.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2021, 10:59:11 AM »
We have Milgard windows and they are coming out next week to replace 2 panes that have lost their seal.

Installed in 2005 and they are replacing for free as they are covered under warranty, I was expecting to pay a couple hundred for the two glass pieces to be replaced. Point is if you are original owner or know who installed them call and ask, might get a nice surprise.

Good point! For how long is the warranty good on those?
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2021, 11:03:02 AM »
If anyone is contemplating window replacement vs pane replacement.  I would suggest having an energy audit done on your home first.
Most utilities offer them at no cost.  Home performance companies offer them as well, usually with a fee.

These audits can not only tell you where you are losing energy and how much, but they will also tell you which improvement projects will save you the most in the long term.

Utility rebates are also common for window replacement. 

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »
In reference to rebates from utility companies, the only rebates available for window replacement is when you replace the aluminum windows with vinyl windows, according to Clark Public utilities. He did say that there may be a small federal tax credit.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2021, 11:31:21 AM »

If you're thinking about selling consider a couple of things. First, if the house passes inspection without the replacements, you save the $18K by not replacing. Secondly, improvements rarely raise the value of the home enough to cover their cost. Lastly, especially in a seller's market, you can take your highest bid (which lately has been 10-15% over asking) and if the inspection shows replacement is necessary, you can negotiate the value with the buyer as a seller concession. They want the house. if the estimate on the windows is $18K, they're likely to take far less as a seller concession. Remember that unless the windows are visibly damaged, the appraisal is unlikely to be affected. And, the lender cares about the appraisal and normally doesn't require a home inspection. Inspections are for the buyer's benefit and peace of mind.

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We have a friend who does inspections as a business, so he has been giving us some advice on things to do to make the house more marketable.  The house will already pass inspection, so it's just a matter of finding one to move to.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2021, 11:41:24 AM »
In reference to rebates from utility companies, the only rebates available for window replacement is when you replace the aluminum windows with vinyl windows, according to Clark Public utilities. He did say that there may be a small federal tax credit.

PSE offers one as well, but only for single pane upgrades.

Rebates are always relative. Most aren't enough to justify the cost difference of an upgrade.

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2021, 12:43:27 PM »
For what it's worth, replacing windows is actually pretty darn easy.  I'm certainly no carpenter but with the help of a friend I replaced all of our old AL. windows with new Pella vinyl windows a few years ago.  I was actually very surprised how easy it was.  Go price windows and you'll be shocked at how bad they stick it to you on the install.

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2021, 01:07:55 PM »
In reference to rebates from utility companies, the only rebates available for window replacement is when you replace the aluminum windows with vinyl windows, according to Clark Public utilities. He did say that there may be a small federal tax credit.

I think it varies by County and the program available at the time.

I did a fairly small house in Clallam County under the PUD energy program, and I was amazed. Small house, but had a 1 huge window with dual sliders, one bathroom frosted, 1 small, and 4 big slider bedroom windows. and a sliding glass door... $1400, installed, out the door after the PUD. (About the price of the big window by itself.)

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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2021, 03:19:32 PM »
We have Milgard windows and they are coming out next week to replace 2 panes that have lost their seal.

Installed in 2005 and they are replacing for free as they are covered under warranty, I was expecting to pay a couple hundred for the two glass pieces to be replaced. Point is if you are original owner or know who installed them call and ask, might get a nice surprise.

Good point! For how long is the warranty good on those?

I am think the seal on the double pane glass was lifetime for the homeowner from what they said, I will try and remember to ask when the installer is here next week.  I am also going to ask about the lifters if they are covered or not, I expect they are not but will ask since he is going to be here.
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2021, 05:32:05 PM »
Yup, my cousin replaces windows, I broke one of my panes and he had it replaced in 1/2 hour and 125 or 150 bucks. The well water we have has ruined all our windows, tried acid had a professional come out and they said we will have to replace all of them.  I'll do a few at a time before we sell.
curious as to why your well water ruined your windows ??  I worked for Milgard for a while and thought their lifetime warranty covers window seal failure but i believe the warranty is void if it is not installed correctly (i don't think the warranty covers if you use expanding foam around the frames ? best to find out before install )  full window replacement is really not that difficult but would not recommend replacing glass on aluminum frames...best off replacing the entire window.  Aluminum frames will sweat
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2021, 11:01:13 AM »
We have Milgard windows and they are coming out next week to replace 2 panes that have lost their seal.

Installed in 2005 and they are replacing for free as they are covered under warranty, I was expecting to pay a couple hundred for the two glass pieces to be replaced. Point is if you are original owner or know who installed them call and ask, might get a nice surprise.

Good point! For how long is the warranty good on those?

I am think the seal on the double pane glass was lifetime for the homeowner from what they said, I will try and remember to ask when the installer is here next week.  I am also going to ask about the lifters if they are covered or not, I expect they are not but will ask since he is going to be here.

Just a quick follow-up on the lifetime warranty, it is just for the original purchaser or home owner. They were just here and did a quick swap of the two pane units that had lost the seal.
While talking with him discovered the hardware that assists with the opening and closing of the units is covered and I have the bad ones. They are going to order up the new ones and swap out all the windows that are the single hung with the new lifters.
Really been happy with Milgard and their service and support  :tup: 
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2021, 11:10:05 AM »
So, a little follow-up on Vancouver Glass. I'd asked for window replacement on four windows. After they finished and left, I noticed that the sliding glass had water spots - hadn't been replaced. When I called them about it they said that normally, only the one side is replaced. So at a cost of $375 per double pane, did I get my money's worth or did I get ripped off? I assumed (and didn't get a written contract...doh!) that when I told them I wanted to replace the glass in all four windows, they'd replace both sides. Bad assumption on my part? Idiot for not getting a written quote from someone I'd done business with a few times previously? Now my wife is adding in her two cents as Monday morning QB, so that's nice, too.  :bash:
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Re: Home Improvements/Replacement windows - Don't fall for the hype
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2021, 10:25:57 AM »
Now if you are talking about aluminum windows I would defiantly look to update to vinyl windows.

 


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