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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #375 on: December 08, 2021, 07:36:15 AM »
We are our own worst enemy and it shows as we are loosing the battle.

We are a house divided.  Archers V Modern.  Master Hunters v non-master hunters, and most aggravating, west side hunters V east side hunters.  So many pointless divisions. 

We are hunters and if we would unite, there is little that would stop us.  When you look at license sales, PR funds, and the massive amount of donation based revenue that groups like DU, RMEF, Pheasants forever, etc pull in, we as a demographic control the vast majority of the money that goes into conservation and sustainability of fish and game.  But we blow it by not aligning.

This is a problem with conservatives in general.  We are independently minded where as the socialist/democratic all rally around common goals and talking points.  They build ground swell and make progress while we stand on our non-compromising islands alone as individuals where we are easy to get picked off.

Very sad.

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #376 on: December 08, 2021, 09:44:36 AM »
We are our own worst enemy and it shows as we are loosing the battle.

We are a house divided.  Archers V Modern.  Master Hunters v non-master hunters, and most aggravating, west side hunters V east side hunters.  So many pointless divisions. 

We are hunters and if we would unite, there is little that would stop us.  When you look at license sales, PR funds, and the massive amount of donation based revenue that groups like DU, RMEF, Pheasants forever, etc pull in, we as a demographic control the vast majority of the money that goes into conservation and sustainability of fish and game.  But we blow it by not aligning.

This is a problem with conservatives in general.  We are independently minded where as the socialist/democratic all rally around common goals and talking points.  They build ground swell and make progress while we stand on our non-compromising islands alone as individuals where we are easy to get picked off.

Very sad.

 :yeah:

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #377 on: December 08, 2021, 10:14:27 AM »
We are our own worst enemy and it shows as we are loosing the battle.

We are a house divided.  Archers V Modern.  Master Hunters v non-master hunters, and most aggravating, west side hunters V east side hunters.  So many pointless divisions. 

We are hunters and if we would unite, there is little that would stop us.  When you look at license sales, PR funds, and the massive amount of donation based revenue that groups like DU, RMEF, Pheasants forever, etc pull in, we as a demographic control the vast majority of the money that goes into conservation and sustainability of fish and game.  But we blow it by not aligning.

This is a problem with conservatives in general.  We are independently minded where as the socialist/democratic all rally around common goals and talking points.  They build ground swell and make progress while we stand on our non-compromising islands alone as individuals where we are easy to get picked off.

Very sad.

 :yeah:

I agree 100% and then some!

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #378 on: December 08, 2021, 10:22:26 AM »
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #379 on: December 08, 2021, 12:06:59 PM »
Too bad he cannot spell!
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #380 on: December 08, 2021, 12:23:01 PM »
We are our own worst enemy and it shows as we are loosing the battle.

We are a house divided.  Archers V Modern.  Master Hunters v non-master hunters, and most aggravating, west side hunters V east side hunters.  So many pointless divisions. 

We are hunters and if we would unite, there is little that would stop us.  When you look at license sales, PR funds, and the massive amount of donation based revenue that groups like DU, RMEF, Pheasants forever, etc pull in, we as a demographic control the vast majority of the money that goes into conservation and sustainability of fish and game.  But we blow it by not aligning.

This is a problem with conservatives in general.  We are independently minded where as the socialist/democratic all rally around common goals and talking points.  They build ground swell and make progress while we stand on our non-compromising islands alone as individuals where we are easy to get picked off.

Very sad.

 :yeah:

I agree 100% and then some!

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Hit the nail square on the head!
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #382 on: December 08, 2021, 05:34:33 PM »
Thats bold considering the makeup of the commission, Larry betraying us, and the next seat likely filled with another anti. Wish I could have even a single shred of confidence in what he said. It doesn't matter what science they provide and how well they answers the commissions questions. The anti's will never vote for a spring bear hunt.
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #383 on: December 08, 2021, 05:46:26 PM »
Can someone more versed in how the WDFW Commission operates tell me how Larry Carpenter got voted Chair again when his term is and has been expired?  Does this mean he is committed for another term?  Does the Governor have to approve his term?  I feel like the transparency is not there in how the commission works. 


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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #384 on: December 08, 2021, 08:38:13 PM »
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #385 on: December 08, 2021, 09:01:20 PM »
Can someone more versed in how the WDFW Commission operates tell me how Larry Carpenter got voted Chair again when his term is and has been expired?  Does this mean he is committed for another term?  Does the Governor have to approve his term?  I feel like the transparency is not there in how the commission works.

This is a really good question. Carpenter ran for Mount Vernon City Council, near me, and didnt win. It would have disqualified him from the position. So if he wanted to remain why did he run? Why did he get re-appointed  by the Govenor? Why was he once a supporter of sportsmen and now appears to  be the sheild for anti hunters and the Judas that have stabbed hunters in the back.
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #386 on: December 09, 2021, 07:38:44 AM »
This is an interesting take:

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commissioner-explains-no-vote-on-2022-spring-bear-hunt/

It puts the burden on WDFW for not having an accurate bear count, essentially not doing their job.  The argument is that if WDFW does it's job well, the data will be inarguable and the hunt will continue even if unpopular and the subject of lawsuits. 

If it had continued, the lack of data would enable antis to take it out permanently. 

Thus, the goal is to only penalize hunters one year for WDFW's failures.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2021, 07:51:19 AM by Stein »

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #387 on: December 09, 2021, 07:52:26 AM »
This is an interesting take:

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commissioner-explains-no-vote-on-2022-spring-bear-hunt/

It puts the burden on WDFW for not having an accurate bear count, essentially not doing their job.  The argument is that if WDFW does it's job well, the data will be inarguable and the hunt will continue even if unpopular and the subject of lawsuits.

When I sat in on the commissioners meeting that determined the statewide August 1st/2 bear rule, this was also brought up.  What was said then (I'm assuming it to be true today but could be wrong) is that there is kind of an industry standard method of getting black bear counts but it isn't nearly as reliable as ungulate counts. 

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #388 on: December 09, 2021, 07:57:57 AM »
The bottom of the article notes there is a bet here, on one side of the coin WDFW will produce solid data and the hunt will be impervious to votes and lawsuits. Somehow Larry will still be there or Jay will nominate someone like him as his replacement and flip his vote to yes and it will pass 5-3 or 5-4.

The other side of the coin has this as a beach head, spring hunts will never come back.  Larry will be replaced as well as a new nomination, likely two new anti votes which means likely 4-5 vote on it the next time.

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #389 on: December 09, 2021, 08:24:38 AM »
The bottom of the article notes there is a bet here, on one side of the coin WDFW will produce solid data and the hunt will be impervious to votes and lawsuits. Somehow Larry will still be there or Jay will nominate someone like him as his replacement and flip his vote to yes and it will pass 5-3 or 5-4.

The other side of the coin has this as a beach head, spring hunts will never come back.  Larry will be replaced as well as a new nomination, likely two new anti votes which means likely 4-5 vote on it the next time.

Right now I do not see how it could come back.  I think WDFW made a fair argument and they were ignored.

Larry tried to explain away his one vote but the core issue was still where all roads keep leading back to - social pressure.

Unless he has a change of heart, I don't see the spring season making a return.


 


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