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Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« on: May 25, 2022, 05:27:31 PM »
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2022, 05:45:39 PM »
Custom dies for their chamber?

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 06:14:40 PM »
That's a pretty good video.
I always FL resize. I also have a turret press that holds four die. The most common caliber that I reload. And I never unscrew them or move them. Cleaning them I just spay brake cleaner in them. But I never mess with them after I set them . That way I have the same resized case every time.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2022, 06:44:39 PM »
Look up Erik Cortina on YouTube. He has a pretty good explanation why not to neck size.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 06:56:50 PM »
Full length resize then run them through an expander.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 07:12:34 PM »
That's a great video.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 07:45:30 PM »
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2022, 08:14:35 PM »
The best common sense reloading info that I have found is from Panhandle Precision. He goes through his entire process in fine detail explaining why he does or doesn’t do certain things. Great info.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2022, 08:37:02 PM »
Always full length sized and never had any problems.  Erik Cortina has a lot of great youtube videos for the new and experienced reloader.  Love watching his stuff.  :tup:

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2022, 08:41:49 PM »
For my precision loads I size 1/3 down case, rotate 1/3, size down 2/3 down case, rotate another 1/3, then full size. Keeps cases as concentric as possible
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2022, 09:12:02 PM »
I don’t bump shoulders till I get resistance on bolt close. Then bump .002” every time after that. 
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2022, 09:30:53 PM »
The best common sense reloading info that I have found is from Panhandle Precision. He goes through his entire process in fine detail explaining why he does or doesn’t do certain things. Great info.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2022, 05:35:42 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2022, 06:54:23 AM »
Full length always!! Neck sizing is a thing of past, like a Ferrari vs a 80’s dautsun.


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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2022, 07:35:12 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2022, 07:57:24 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2022, 08:54:48 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2022, 08:58:05 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
:yeah:

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Neck sizing only is a thing of the past.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2022, 09:21:14 AM »
Full length size. .002 shoulder bump. Quality dies will keep everything concentric the first go around. Blue box brass and yellow box bullets for .1’s accuracy.
:yeah:

Fullsize, lapua, berger, money !
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2022, 09:25:13 AM »
I wouldn't say neck sizing is a thing of the past at all. I've been reloading for 40 years, but only in the last five years have I been neck sizing. I do it for two rifles- my daughter's 7mm-08 and my 338 Win. Mag.

Getting great accuracy with both. I don't load to the max with either one, as I'm trying to keep recoil down a bit.

For my 270 Win. and 30/06 I'm still doing the full length sizing like I've always done.

But neck sizing sure saves a whole lot of time.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2022, 10:01:12 AM »
I wouldn't say neck sizing is a thing of the past at all. I've been reloading for 40 years, but only in the last five years have I been neck sizing. I do it for two rifles- my daughter's 7mm-08 and my 338 Win. Mag.

Getting great accuracy with both. I don't load to the max with either one, as I'm trying to keep recoil down a bit.

For my 270 Win. and 30/06 I'm still doing the full length sizing like I've always done.

But neck sizing sure saves a whole lot of time.
till your brass grows enough to be difficult to chamber. Then you’ll need to bump shoulders.
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2022, 10:33:35 AM »
I wouldn't say neck sizing is a thing of the past at all. I've been reloading for 40 years, but only in the last five years have I been neck sizing. I do it for two rifles- my daughter's 7mm-08 and my 338 Win. Mag.

Getting great accuracy with both. I don't load to the max with either one, as I'm trying to keep recoil down a bit.

For my 270 Win. and 30/06 I'm still doing the full length sizing like I've always done.

But neck sizing sure saves a whole lot of time.
till your brass grows enough to be difficult to chamber. Then you’ll need to bump shoulders.

Yes I understand that, but for these rifles I will load up maybe 50 cartridges and that may last three years, or maybe longer. So it could be a long time before bumping the shoulders back is necessary.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2022, 12:12:32 PM »
I just love that he tried to give solid advice, and internet experts tried to call him a liar......

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2022, 12:21:46 PM »


[/quote]till your brass grows enough to be difficult to chamber. Then you’ll need to bump shoulders.
[/quote]


The whole dang piece of brass grows so that it no longer chambers properly.  I have schematic drawings of the cartridge cases I load and the dimensions from neck sizing only, exceeds the schematics from top to bottom.  Bulging at the web was common.  The point comes when a neck sized case will not drop into a case checker tool and then you know you have a problem. 

Im of the opinion that regardless of how you reload, the single most important factor (until you have a problem), is case to case consistency before and after loading.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
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till your brass grows enough to be difficult to chamber. Then you’ll need to bump shoulders.
[/quote]


The whole dang piece of brass grows so that it no longer chambers properly.  I have schematic drawings of the cartridge cases I load and the dimensions from neck sizing only, exceeds the schematics from top to bottom.  Bulging at the web was common.  The point comes when a neck sized case will not drop into a case checker tool and then you know you have a problem. 

Im of the opinion that regardless of how you reload, the single most important factor (until you have a problem), is case to case consistency before and after loading.
[/quote] I never use a cartridge gage. Who’s to say it’s even close to my chamber? Over sizing brass can cause trouble just as easily as under sizing
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2022, 01:34:22 PM »
I only use them if a problem arises to give me a starting point.

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2022, 08:24:15 PM »
For my precision loads I size 1/3 down case, rotate 33 degrees, size down 2/3 down case, rotate another 33 degrees, then full size. Keeps cases as concentric as possible

Hmmmmm. What about the last 1 degree?? 😂🤣😂🤣😂
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2022, 08:58:34 PM »
Last degree? Last 294 degrees? 360 degrees/6.28 radians in a circle. I think he may have meant 120 degrees each rotation? :dunno:

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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2022, 07:06:53 AM »
I've heard or the other way is best depending who you talk to, I happened to stumble onto this video:


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Re: Neck Size or Full Length Size?
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2022, 08:52:04 AM »
I can absolutely say, with out a doubt and 100% accuracy, never wavering, for sure and for certain, having reloaded for ‘about’ 50 years, a solid “It depends”.
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