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Does the sabot matter?
« on: September 17, 2022, 04:32:47 PM »
Shooting shock waves out of my Encore. Iíve got the load worked up and plenty of bullets and sabots for hunting this year, but Iíve got a bunch more of the same bullets and different sabots. Iím not messing with it this hunting seasonÖ just got curious if they make a difference or if I should toss the other ones. Guess the range will answer that question for sure. Just was getting stuff packed up and ready to go and got curious.

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2022, 04:43:24 PM »
I believe you can find a chart for sabot compatibility based on projectile diameter.  Willynilly sabots would get you varying pressures from same projectile.   :twocents:   

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2022, 05:05:38 PM »
I believe you can find a chart for sabot compatibility based on projectile diameter.  Willynilly sabots would get you varying pressures from same projectile.   :twocents:

Thanks. Pretty sure I bought the bullets and yellow sabots in a pack together but itís been a while and I canít remember.  For sure the black sabots and bullets came together in a pack. Still had a couple unopened.
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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2022, 05:06:52 PM »
I short and love the shockwave bullets.   The only difference I have found between the two sabots pictures is how easy they load.   The yellow (east glide) sabots load much easier.   I donít shoot the black ones anymore for that reason. 

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2022, 06:20:46 PM »
I short and love the shockwave bullets.   The only difference I have found between the two sabots pictures is how easy they load.   The yellow (east glide) sabots load much easier.   I donít shoot the black ones anymore for that reason.

You ever chronograph the two out of curiosity? 

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2022, 06:38:04 PM »
I short and love the shockwave bullets.   The only difference I have found between the two sabots pictures is how easy they load.   The yellow (east glide) sabots load much easier.   I donít shoot the black ones anymore for that reason.

You ever chronograph the two out of curiosity?

I haven't....but I haven't noticed a difference in point of impact change out to 180 yards.  When I sight my muzzy's in, I use milk jugs full of water at 50, 100, 150, 180 and both the sabots show are accurate enough, using the same powder charge, to explode the jugs.  Clearly not a precision test...but rather a functional kill test.   The original / black sabots that were used in the Shockwaves load fine in a clean barrel....but after the first shot they are buggers to jam down the barrel.  I never hunt on a clean barrel...always fowling it with one shot before the season and the easy glide sabots load super easy for the next 4-5 shots.  Again....never had to re-sight my muzzy's when changing to the yellow. 

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2022, 08:51:45 PM »
The sabot on the right is an EZ load sabot - thinner petals.  I can see the base or the number petals on the yellow sabot, those things would tell me if it were a MMP 3P-EZ or a Havester sabot.

The black one on the left could also be an MMP or a Harvester and without seeing the base of the powder cup - I can not identify which one it is.  I definitely has thicker petals.  It could be a MMP HPH24 or HPH12.

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2022, 09:15:58 PM »
I short and love the shockwave bullets.   The only difference I have found between the two sabots pictures is how easy they load.   The yellow (east glide) sabots load much easier.   I donít shoot the black ones anymore for that reason.

You ever chronograph the two out of curiosity?

I got 1860 with 100grn blackhorn and the 300grain version with ez sabot

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2022, 09:19:32 PM »













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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2022, 09:42:16 PM »
I shoot barnes bullets and they have 2 different color/sizes of sabots you can get for easier loading in tight bores. I have shot both sabots and have not noticed a difference in impact when shooting 50-80yards. I am sure there is a slight difference in impact, if I shot out of a gun vice at a further distance, but it wasn't a noticeable difference for me at my hunting ranges.

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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2022, 08:00:25 AM »
Just be careful Jackalope that you don't mix up the wrong sabot with the wrong bullet. My dad did this a few years back and we stalked our way to about 80 yds from some elk in the scab rock and when he shot at a standing broadside cow they just ran away with no flinching or reaction at all that looked like a hit. We looked for blood and couldn't find anything indicating a hit. When we got back to the road his buddy who was watching from a different vantage point couldn't believe he missed. Well my dad swung his barrel to the ground just then and the bullet fell out in the dirt! We went back home and dug through the sabots and bullets he had and he mixed up .44 cal bullets with sabots made for .45 bullets and realized he just blew smoke at those elk. Get your calipers out of your gonna be swapping sabots and bullets around. And make sure they are snug all the way down the barrel I guess.
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Re: Does the sabot matter?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2022, 08:24:38 AM »
jackelope

From your pictures this is what I think I can tell you.

Yellow Sabot:

Is an MMP HPH-3P-EZ sabot. The sabot is 'contract' sabot made for Barnes and it is made with yellow polymer formulation.

Follow this link to see the sabot

https://mmpsabots.com/store/black-3petal-ez50-pcs/

The black sabot is most likely a MMP HPH-12 sabot, not an HPH-24. The 12 is the thickest of the 3 HPH 50 cal. sabots that MMP makes.

https://mmpsabots.com/store/black-hph12-sabot50-pcs/

MMP does make another black sabot that has shorter petals and is slightly thicker. This sabot is made from te standard polymer formulation and was initially designed for the Savage Smokelss rifles - als worked very well in the older White 504 rifles.

The Black sabot are MMP factory sabots and probably not purchased in a bullet packet from different bullet manufacturers. 



SABOT Make, Model, Caliber   Color   Length   Base Dia.   Speer 270 gr.   Horn.240gr.   Nosler 185gr.
             GDSP 0.4295"   JHP 0.429"   JHP 0.4505"
                  
Harvester                     44/50   Green    0.894"   0.500"   0.5035"   0.504"   
Harvester   Crush Rib    44/50   Green    0.887"   0.499"   0.503"   0.504"   
MMP                           44/50   Green    0.868"   0.494"   0.505"   0.505"   
Hornady # 6750            44/50   Green    0.755"   0.494"   0.507"   0.5065"   
                  
                  
Harvester       Long       45/50   Black   0.948"   0.4975"         0.5025"
Harvester      Short        45/50   Black   0.854"   0.499"         0.5025"
Harvester    Crush Rib    45/50   Black   0.888"   0.498"         0.5015"
MMP       HPH-24         45/50   Black   0.966"   0.497"         0.503"
MMP       HPH-12         45/50   Black   0.972"   0.498"         0.505"
MMP        EZ-3P          45/50   Black   0.829"   0.496"         0.5015"


Hope some of this helps


« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 09:19:43 AM by Sabotloader »
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