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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2022, 07:17:54 PM »
You can control coyotes in an area, but it's constant, and involves bait and lights.

If you give it a couple years they're back

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2022, 08:35:52 PM »
You can control coyotes in an area, but it's constant, and involves bait and lights.

If you give it a couple years they're back
Thatís what I have experienced.
Like you said, bait, alarms, lights, or thermal, or night vision = success.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2022, 09:10:16 PM »
I have a buddy but his nasty butt eats them

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2022, 10:24:14 PM »
I wonder if WDFW conflict Specialist Candace Bennett has been involved in the decoy operation. She is the gal that shot at the houndsmens dog that was working under a state permit. It not like she can actually do her job anymore. It's been a year and she has managed to stonewall the investigation until a new captain in her region showed up.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2022, 10:32:37 PM »
I've no idea who's brilliant idea this was  :dunno:


It won't be well received once it gets out

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2022, 10:36:16 PM »
I've no idea who's brilliant idea this was  :dunno:


It won't be well received once it gets out

I'm not sure wdfw employees will be recieved well after this hits the public airways.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2022, 04:47:55 AM »
I've no idea who's brilliant idea this was  :dunno:


It won't be well received once it gets out

I'm not sure wdfw employees will be recieved well after this hits the public airways.

Are you guys talking about the new management plan.
You know.....
The co-exist management plan.....NO CONSUMPTION.

Here I'll just paint a picture for ya.

Since the co-exist plan is basically do nothing management.
60 -75% of non enforcement employees will be gone.
That will free up funds for more enforcement.
Since the only way the department will make money is through enforcement.
You will see all kinds of crazy decoys and such.
These predator decoys are probably just a test run of a lot more fun stuff to come.

Better grab the ohh @$!# handle cause this pickup is going to get a ride.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2022, 07:53:48 AM »
Shoot them, leave them, and hunt over them for more coyotes.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2022, 08:35:50 AM »
Honestly I have always had a personal issue with killing animals I donít eat. But though I would kill a yote in a heartbeat if it had a nice coat, I have wanted a couple of yote skins, but I suck at tanning.
Here is my contradiction, I wonít even hesitate if I shoot a wild hog, especially a sow.
I go through the his weird self justification, but they do millions upon millions in damage. I have had two charge me already while hunting white tail. They are ugly, they stink worse than just about anything. And Oklahoma wild life officers encourage shoot on sight.

I know it does not make much sense, to not to shoot yotes like I would pigs. Or doing mental gymnastics for o justify one or the other, when both should be taken out.  :dunno:

Doesnt seem like a contradiction to me, or probably anyone else who has lived in hog territory.  Coyote threats seem way overrated to me.  Ive lost small animals to coyotes, but most human attacks seem to be in urban settings where they live on human food and dont get hazed regularly by dogs.  Hogs are dangerous and devastating, capable of destroying acres of crop land in a single night and they reproduce at ridiculous rates.  People hunt them aggressively and still cant slow their population growth.  Iíd still rather see them used as food, but itís not always practical.  I dont like killing anything iím not eating, but I get the reason with hogs.  Iíve called in a lot of coyotes but always decided to let them walk.  Anything that good at surviving gets a pass from me.  I have a lot of respect for the dirty things. 

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2022, 09:44:35 AM »
Shoot them, leave them, and hunt over them for more coyotes.

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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2022, 10:06:58 AM »
I wish more people would target coyotes.  It makes them a better shooter, (aim small miss small), gets you outdoors, learn new country, helps wildlife and is a lot of fun.  When pelts are worth money we'd try and sell them.  I will say, I've NEVER seen a coyote eat another dead coyote.  I've read that comment several times but just never seen any evidence of it.

I wish they'd only allow some special permits for folks who did the work to help the deer/elk/small game populations.  Kinda like the master hunter program.  That being said, I do know people who like coyotes on their property.  These people have a much different stance than those with livestock. 

I've probably killed over 1000 coyotes.  You'll never get rid of them but you can reduce the level of education they have.  They will be less efficient hunters when you remove the age class.  They young ones will move in from neighboring areas and just aren't as good at being a coyote as the old dogs you took out.   .02

A bullet is a gift compared to the death they give others we try to protect.  Ain't saying it's their fault, just saying they need dramatically reduced....  Blaze away Bone!
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2022, 12:58:26 PM »
The only time I've ever had someone tell me they didn't want the coyotes shot on their place was years ago my dad and I hunted pheasants on this guys place that raised hay.  He had a couple circles of hay and the guy next to him had corn.  Best pheasant hunting I've ever had but the hay farmer was adamant about do not shoot the coyotes.  He wanted the coyotes left alone because he felt they kept the mice population down.  He had amazing pheasant hunting so we honored his wishes but man was it hard because there was never a time we hunted birds there that we didn't see lots of coyotes too.

I've always been in the shoot em and leave camp.  When my daughter was little and would go along with me she'd always want to walk out and see what they looked like up close and the bigger the hole/s and the messier they were the cooler she thought it was and the bigger her smile.  My wife on the other hand couldn't and wouldn't look at them dead because they looked to much like a dog to her.  My daughter is in college now and this is still one of her favorite pics.




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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2022, 01:08:23 PM »
The most recent of 13 down this season. Beautiful westside yote. Older female. Teeth were worn pretty good. Did skin this one out and may get it tanned.
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Re: Legal/ethical opinion
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2022, 03:31:09 PM »
I'd never leave a dead 'Yote where it might be seen by the public, so I often just move it out of sight.
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