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Motor oil question
« on: December 03, 2022, 05:47:26 PM »
You know those guys who did not grow up in a family that hunts, but want to get into the sport and have lots of questions because they are not starting with the benefit of years of family time spent hunting?

Well that is me with automotive/mechanic skills.  So please be patient with the niave questions!

I started changing oil in my small engines a couple years ago and I plan to start doing my truck soon.

I have a Superduty F 350 and it takes a little over 3 gallons of oil per change.  That gets spendy when buying a gallon at a time.

I was poking around amazon and found a 55 gallon drum of 10w30 for 600 bucks.  Pumps look to be about 50 bucks.

TRUEGARD 10W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil 55-Gallon Drum https://a.co/d/17AZppH

It is a brand I have not heard of.

Questions are:
1.  How important is a name brand with oil?
2.  I am under the impression one can store oil for years/indefinitely.   As this would be about 13 oil changes this assumption is important to be right on.  Am I correct?
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Motor oil question
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2022, 05:49:08 PM »
Pretty sure that’s not the right weight/viscosity of oil for your truck. Given the quantity, I’m assuming your truck has a diesel in it. Pretty sure you’re going to want 15w40 or a Delo 400.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2022, 05:52:12 PM »
I think the most important thing is that it meets the appropriate API specification for your engine.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2022, 05:52:24 PM »
Thanks-i will double check the manual again.

It is the 6.4 Diesel

Reading online i see a 5 year shelf life?
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2022, 07:03:45 PM »
Yeah your truck takes 15w40 not 10w30.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2022, 07:38:00 PM »
Thanks

Weight aside, how important is the brand and does oil have a shelf life?
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2022, 07:47:45 PM »
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Check out this website lots of good info about the super duty pickups!  Www.ford-trucks.com
It has helped me out many times.  And there is a list of approved oil for these trucks

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2022, 08:07:24 PM »
Will do and thanks!
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2022, 08:11:26 PM »
For home use with one pickup I'm not sure a 55 gallon drum make sense to me unless you drive a whole lot. You can buy Mobil Delvac 1300 15w40 at Walmart for about $15 a gallon. I'd do that before I bought a 55 gallon drum for $11 a gallon. Also if you are in a cold climate for the winter running 10w30 would be okay but I doubt it's necessary in Washington state. As far as shelf life looks like lost everything says it has a 5 year date but I'm not sure that's not a selling practice vs a actual oil goes bad thing.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2022, 08:26:18 PM »
Also note that it is nearly 500lbs you gotta move into place somewhere.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2022, 08:31:32 PM »
Having been raised in a business as a shell oil jobber. I can attest to how fun those barrels are to manipulate. 

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2022, 09:36:32 PM »
For home use with one pickup I'm not sure a 55 gallon drum make sense to me unless you drive a whole lot. You can buy Mobil Delvac 1300 15w40 at Walmart for about $15 a gallon. I'd do that before I bought a 55 gallon drum for $11 a gallon. Also if you are in a cold climate for the winter running 10w30 would be okay but I doubt it's necessary in Washington state. As far as shelf life looks like lost everything says it has a 5 year date but I'm not sure that's not a selling practice vs a actual oil goes bad thing.

This.

I buy a bunch of jugs when it goes on sale.   Always have at least a couple oil changes worth in the garage.   Don't forget to stock a few filters as well.

You need to use oil that is approved for your engine.

I'd have a hard time wanting to by oil by the drum.






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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2022, 09:50:50 PM »
For home use with one pickup I'm not sure a 55 gallon drum make sense to me unless you drive a whole lot. You can buy Mobil Delvac 1300 15w40 at Walmart for about $15 a gallon. I'd do that before I bought a 55 gallon drum for $11 a gallon. Also if you are in a cold climate for the winter running 10w30 would be okay but I doubt it's necessary in Washington state. As far as shelf life looks like lost everything says it has a 5 year date but I'm not sure that's not a selling practice vs a actual oil goes bad thing.

This.

I buy a bunch of jugs when it goes on sale.   Always have at least a couple oil changes worth in the garage.   Don't forget to stock a few filters as well.

You need to use oil that is approved for your engine.

I'd have a hard time wanting to by oil by the drum.
Save a few bucks by buying it in 5 gallon buckets. Any truck parts or heavy equipment parts store will have delo, Rotella, whatever you want in 5 gallon buckets. Buy a hand pump with a 6 foot hose on Amazon for like $30


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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2022, 10:55:56 PM »
I prefer Shell Rotella as its relatively cheap and available everywhere. I use it in almost everything i own too

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2022, 05:29:18 AM »
I believe changing your oil on time in correct intervals with the proper weight oil, is more important than brand. Though they are in Texas now, due to my Pennsylvania roots, I still use Quaker State quite a bit around my place. It was quite a site back in the day to drive down the main road through Oil City, PA and see Quaker State on one side of the road, and Pennzoil on the other. My F350 V10 and my Fusion 2.5L get Motorcraft oil and a Motorcraft filter. If Motorcraft is not available, they get Quaker State.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2022, 07:59:37 AM »
For home use with one pickup I'm not sure a 55 gallon drum make sense to me unless you drive a whole lot. You can buy Mobil Delvac 1300 15w40 at Walmart for about $15 a gallon. I'd do that before I bought a 55 gallon drum for $11 a gallon. Also if you are in a cold climate for the winter running 10w30 would be okay but I doubt it's necessary in Washington state. As far as shelf life looks like lost everything says it has a 5 year date but I'm not sure that's not a selling practice vs a actual oil goes bad thing.

Beat me to it. Just way easier to use and handle. Ive done 5 gallon buckets before and gone back to gallon jugs. Delvac is great diesel oil. As is Rotella. Most brands in the corect weight and rating will be just fine for what you want.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2022, 08:31:47 AM »
They also offer, or used to, 16s if you want to compromise a little.   I don’t know if the savings is worth it.   Rotella

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2022, 08:44:06 AM »
Not sure if it is related to shelf life, but I have read that some of the added components can settle out over time, which means disturbing the contents of the container some to get them back into suspension.
As others have stated, make sure the oil matches the manufacturer required oil.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2022, 08:51:00 AM »
This is all great info....

I picked up a couple of oil filters and fuel filters at napa the other day so i have at least two changes worth of supplies on hand.

I understand the 6.4 engine is prone to getting diesel on the oil due to emissions equipment and that I should plan on changes every 3k miles with fuel filters every 6k.  Does that sound right?

Good idea on the 5 or 16 gallon jugs and walmart sales.   I do have forks for the tractor so that would help with the 55 gallon drums but it is a lot of hassel.  Much better plan.

Regarding oil weight, 15w40 is recomended for heavy towing in my manual.  I don't do that in the winter and in the Idaho panhandle winters are cold so 10W/40 seems like a better range-currently it is 12 outside and we wont be above freezing for the next week it appears.  Manual photo attached.  I am thinking 10w40 for Nov-Mar and 15w40 for the rest of the year.  Does that seem like a good plan?
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2022, 08:53:55 AM »
Makes sense on the additives - and stirring a 55 gallon drum might be difficult!
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2022, 09:09:27 AM »
Interesting.  My dad never mixed up with the weights in his Ford diesel.  Always ran 15-40 in Twisp.  That’s. Minus 30 to 120 in temp. Hmmmm

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2022, 10:06:22 AM »
Personally I would just stick with the 15-40 but thats me. Especially if you plug in your block heater.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2022, 10:15:23 AM »
From the chart it looks like you could run 5w-40 year round. Or you could do 15w-40 year round if you have a coolant heater. Just keep it plugged in at night. You might be splitting hairs with all this. Whatever oil that meets the manufacturer’s rating is what you want to use. There is a CPI rating such as CJ-4 or CK-4. It will tell you in the owners manual. As far as brand there’s a lot to choose from. I try to stick to the top names. Although on a lot of off brands at the bottom of the jug it will say distributed by a big name manufacturer. I always stayed away from pennzoil. I’ve seen to many diesel engines with sludge in the top end. Mobil, Chevron Delo 400 or She’ll will be more than good.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2022, 10:30:33 AM »
I'll run manufacturers suggestion in newer cars and trucks.
Synthetic and all that.
I also run diesel oil in in older rigs,like 2000 and older.
Like my 90's chevy truck ,diesel oil.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2022, 11:08:03 AM »
Keep in mind there are different formulations of 10-30,5-40 etc for gas vs diesels. Shell Rotella T6 5-40 or a 10-30 diesel formula is far different than something for a gas engine. Brand has no bearing if you change in regular intervals as some of the off brand stuff is manufactured by a major & rebranded. 1/4 drum are not available in 15/40 anymore & pails are unhandy imo. If you have a distributor in your area you may be able to save a few bucks having your own containers filled from their bulk storage otherwise Costco is probably your Best Buy. :twocents:

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2022, 11:56:14 AM »
I work for a Ford dealer service department with a pretty high volume of diesel trucks coming through our service department. I’m not a technician and I’m not trained in anything mechanical at all. I can only tell you what I’ve seen.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone change oil in a diesel truck every 3k miles.
I’m 100% positive that I’ve never seen or heard any of my diesel techs recommend 6k fuel filters. You’ll go broke buying fuel filters at that rate. My lead diesel guy owns a totally stock unmolested 6.0 liter and he does fuel filters on his every 10k.
6.4’s are pretty few and far between these days through the service department. Lots of 6.7’s and a few 6.0’s and 7.3’s. Hardly ever see a 6.4.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2022, 12:43:19 PM »
I work for a Ford dealer service department with a pretty high volume of diesel trucks coming through our service department. I’m not a technician and I’m not trained in anything mechanical at all. I can only tell you what I’ve seen.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone change oil in a diesel truck every 3k miles.
I’m 100% positive that I’ve never seen or heard any of my diesel techs recommend 6k fuel filters. You’ll go broke buying fuel filters at that rate. My lead diesel guy owns a totally stock unmolested 6.0 liter and he does fuel filters on his every 10k.
6.4’s are pretty few and far between these days through the service department. Lots of 6.7’s and a few 6.0’s and 7.3’s. Hardly ever see a 6.4.

So, slight thread jack, but what interval do your diesel guys change their own oil at?

I think I'm far too conservative. 
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2022, 01:28:04 PM »
I work for a Ford dealer service department with a pretty high volume of diesel trucks coming through our service department. I’m not a technician and I’m not trained in anything mechanical at all. I can only tell you what I’ve seen.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone change oil in a diesel truck every 3k miles.
I’m 100% positive that I’ve never seen or heard any of my diesel techs recommend 6k fuel filters. You’ll go broke buying fuel filters at that rate. My lead diesel guy owns a totally stock unmolested 6.0 liter and he does fuel filters on his every 10k.
6.4’s are pretty few and far between these days through the service department. Lots of 6.7’s and a few 6.0’s and 7.3’s. Hardly ever see a 6.4.

So, slight thread jack, but what interval do your diesel guys change their own oil at?

I think I'm far too conservative.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2022, 01:57:59 PM »
Last diesel I had was an 04 6.0L and I usually went right around 5K on oil/filter changes.  Always used Valvoline Premium Blue oil and NAPA Gold filters for oil and fuel.  If I went much over 5K on oil changes the cap on the oil filter would start to leak a tiny bit.  I don't recall how often I changed the fuel filters but I'm sure I didn't do it nearly as often as I should have because in almost 100k I only remember doing it three maybe four times at the most.  Other than EGR cooler, never had a single issue with mine and I had the Edge w/Juice controller on it.  Sold it to a family member that ran it another five or six years before they sold it to someone else.  One of the best trucks I ever owned.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2022, 02:06:44 PM »
I work for a Ford dealer service department with a pretty high volume of diesel trucks coming through our service department. I’m not a technician and I’m not trained in anything mechanical at all. I can only tell you what I’ve seen.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone change oil in a diesel truck every 3k miles.
I’m 100% positive that I’ve never seen or heard any of my diesel techs recommend 6k fuel filters. You’ll go broke buying fuel filters at that rate. My lead diesel guy owns a totally stock unmolested 6.0 liter and he does fuel filters on his every 10k.
6.4’s are pretty few and far between these days through the service department. Lots of 6.7’s and a few 6.0’s and 7.3’s. Hardly ever see a 6.4.

So, slight thread jack, but what interval do your diesel guys change their own oil at?

I think I'm far too conservative.

Probably 5k miles I assume. Motorcraft parts. 
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2022, 03:16:49 PM »
Thanks.

I just don't dare go over 4K.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2022, 04:29:32 PM »
The logic behind the 3k changes per the research I did was specific to the 6.4 engine.  I was told that part of the new emmissions equipment used diesel to burn off soot in one of the emmision control devices.  If it did not fully burn off it could be sucked into the oil and effectivly dilute the oil making it ineffective.  It can be observed if you see your oil level start to rise.  Essentially it was recomended to me that I change at 3k to avoid impact to the engine.  But that could be an old wives tale....

5k seems more reasonable to me.  Maybe i split the difference and do 4k like Dan!
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Motor oil question
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2022, 04:50:15 PM »
Again, not an expert but I think fuel dilution and engines making oil is due to a problem like an injector stuck open or the regen not happening the way it’s supposed to. I’m pretty sure there is/was a pcm update to prevent regen from happening at idle. You could always have an oil sample taken and sent in for analysis. It’s not “normal” for that engine to make oil. If it’s getting diluted, it’s because something is wrong with it.


I think the emissions stuff you’re talking about is the diesel particulate filter and the regen process. It doesn’t really “use diesel fuel” to do it. The engine rpm’s will increase slightly. This is good info:

“Diesel particulates in the exhaust are trapped by the DPF. Regeneration is the process by which exhaust temperatures are increased so the particulates are combusted. The frequency and length of regeneration will fluctuate as both are determined by the drive cycle. For most drive conditions, regeneration frequency will vary from 100 - 600 miles (161 - 804 Km) between occurrence and last from 10 to 40 minutes. The first regeneration does not require 100 miles (161 Km) and may occur at any time. The length of regeneration is usually reduced if a constant speed above 30 MPH (48 Km/h) is maintained.
The following is a list of normal operation while the vehicle is in regeneration, and do not require repair. If you are not sure if the vehicle is in regeneration,
IDS can be used to monitor the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) PID.

• Engine idle speed can be 1100 to 1200 RPM in park/neutral with foot off
brake.
• High idle speed drops to within 50 RPM of normal idle when the brake pedal is touched,

PRNDL is actuated, or clutch is actuated.
• White smoke in cold ambients is normal and the mount will be increased
during regeneration.
• Powertrain power is limited to 325 horsepower(HP).
• Engine responsiveness may be slightly different than normal operation.
• During initiation of regeneration, exhaust smell may be noticed - especially
on new vehicles.
• Powertrain sound will be different including air induction noise (including
flutter on deceleration or engine shut down), exhaust noise, and
changes in engine radiated noise.
• During regeneration, exhaust temperatures are elevated.”

Unless your truck is deleted and tuned, this happens regularly with it. And any newer diesel truck.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2022, 05:14:14 PM »
Interesting info and greatly appreciated


Sounds like a very similar process that my tractor goes thru.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2022, 06:08:54 PM »
Interesting info and greatly appreciated


Sounds like a very similar process that my tractor goes thru.

Pretty much any newer ish diesel anything will do that.
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2022, 09:45:14 AM »
The older diesels that have a particulate filter used a dosing injector behind the turbo to help increase the temp in the filter to burn away soot. I’ve looked at a lot of set ups over the years including Cat, Cummins, Navi star, ford and the like and can’t imagine how you would get fuel dilution from a dosing unit. Usually it’s a bad injector or injector cup. The fuel has to get into the cylinder to do that. Unless it’s dripping and rolling back into an exhaust valve. There’s a lot of crap on the internet these days. A guy could go broke trying to prevent everything. You could pull your dipstick and check for fuel in it. It’ll be real runny and smell like diesel. I would change my oil on an older diesel at around 5k. Newer diesels like my ram recommend them at 15k. Not that I would go that far but synthetics are capable of amazing things.

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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2022, 11:08:54 AM »
Not disputing as I know literally nothing about engine repair, but the reason I worry about diesel in the oil on the 6.4 is around articles like this:

https://prosourcediesel.com/blog/ford-powerstroke/6-4-powerstroke-problems/#:~:text=6.4%20Powerstroke%20Problems%201%20Oil%20Dilution%20This%20is,Clogged%20EGR%20Coolers%20...%207%20Piston%20Failure%20
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Oil Dilution
This is a very common problem in 6.4 Powerstroke engines. If you’ve ever changed the oil on a 6.4 Powerstroke, you might have wondered about all the extra oil coming out. Owners of the 6.4 have reported several quarts and even up to a gallon of extra oil that shouldn’t be there.

The truth is that it’s not actually oil. In fact, it’s diesel fuel. The 6.4 includes an emissions process that leads to oil dilution. The problem is that fuel in your oil reduces the lubrication of oil to your engine’s essential parts.

How do you fix oil dilution? The first step is to check and change your oil frequently. By checking it frequently, you can find out if your oil capacity is too high. Always use high-quality oil that meets or exceeds OEM standards and quality Powerstroke parts like Motorcraft filters.

https://dieseliq.com/the-6-most-common-ford-6-4-power-stroke-engine-problems/
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The 6 Most Common Ford 6.4 Power Stroke Engine Problems
5) 6.4 Power Stroke Fuel Dilution Problems
Active regeneration is the process that attempts to help keep the DPF clean. The Ford 6.4 diesel does this by injecting fuel during the exhaust stroke. This allows the fuel to exit the cylinder and flow downstream in the exhaust. This helps keep the DPF cleaner and burn off harmful emissions. However, there’s an inherent flaw to the way Ford designed this system.

Some engines use an extra injector to spray fuel directly into the exhaust stream. The 6.4 Power Stroke injects the fuel into the cylinders on the exhaust stroke. This allows small amounts of fuel to deposit on the cylinder walls where it can then contaminate the engine oil. Some fuel dilution of the oil is OK and shouldn’t cause any harm.


However, if too much fuel mixes with the oil that can affect the oils ability to properly cool and lubricate the engine. This could lead to premature wear and tear on the 6.4L diesel internals. Not a good thing for engine longevity.

How to Avoid Ford 6.4 Fuel Dilution
There really aren’t any symptoms or specific fixes for the fuel dilution problems on the 6.4 Power Stroke. Instead, we’ll discuss a few ways to minimize fuel dilution and reduce the risk of it causing premature wear.

First, avoid excessive idle time as the cylinders cool down during idle. This increases the likelihood of fuel sticking to the cylinder walls and diluting the oil. It’s also a good idea to allow the engine to warm up before subjecting the 6.4 diesel to heavy loads.

Lastly, we recommend having an oil analysis done from time to time. It’s pretty cheap and will tell you just how much fuel is mixing into the oil. You can then adjust your oil change intervals to account for the fuel dilution.

https://dieselresource.com/diesel-resources/6-4l-powerstroke-problems/
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1. Oil Dilution
Oil dilution is an extremely common problem that 6.4L Powerstroke owners face. Have you ever changed your engine oil on your 6.4 by yourself? You might have been surprised that after draining the oil out of your truck, you found a ton of extra oil. Several quarts and sometimes even over a gallon of extra oil can be removed when changing your engine oil.



It’s not really oil though. What you’re experiencing is oil dilution. That extra liquid is diesel fuel. When your 6.4 undergoes active regeneration, diesel is injected late in the exhaust stroke. It then travels into the exhaust stream, elevates EGTs and burns off hydrocarbons from the diesel particulate filter.

Oil dilution is an unfortunate by-product of this emissions process. What problems can oil dilution lead to though? Diesel doesn’t offer the same lubricating properties as your engine oil does. This can lead to increased wear and tear on crucial engine components because of a lack of lubrication. So how do you prevent this problem from happening?

The Fix For Oil Dilution
First and foremost, check your engine oil frequently. Once a week take a look at your dip stick. If you’re over max oil capacity, change the oil and oil filter immediately. Don’t use the 10,000 oil change intervals recommended by your owner’s manual. Instead, change the oil and filter on your 6.4L Powerstroke every 5,000 miles. Also make sure you use high quality oil that meets or exceeds OEM specs


Further reading makes me think the oil dilution problem might be related to the 2008 model?

Anyway, this was what has me thinking oil changes more frequent than recommended might be a good idea.  4 to 5K with regular oil level checking is probably the answer (assuming this is a real problem and not internet myth)
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2022, 05:14:01 PM »
Asked my diesel guru guy to see what he'd say since we're in the same building now.
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"Does a 6.4 make oil because there's something wrong with it or do they make oil because of the normal regen process?"
A-
"Yes"

Says it could be both ways. He thinks they normally "make" a little oil because of the regen process and also because he thinks that they leak a little bit internally all the time. Went on to say that seeing an extra quart of oil in the engine at an oil change interval is "normal" even though Ford never said out loud that that was normal. He thinks that comes from the pump leaking a little bit over time and not from injectors leaking but it could be injectors leaking a little bit over time.
He said when they're a gallon or 2 overfull, that's when you have to worry about it. That's when the pump fails and when they run away.
He then asked if this was a buddy of mine with a 6.4 and I said kind of. And then he said "tell your buddy to get rid of it."
They have a less-than-amazing reputation over the long period.
He said to change your oil every 5k miles.
He's been a Ford diesel tech for 20+years and has worked on several hunt-wa members' trucks in the past on the side. He knows what he's talking about.
 
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2022, 05:42:54 PM »
Man...a few years back, I almost traded my F350 V10 for a brand new 4 door F350 6.4 diesel. I wanted another manual shift, and this truck was it. But I just couldn't do it. Glad I didn't!
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2022, 06:43:23 PM »
Asked my diesel guru guy to see what he'd say since we're in the same building now.
Q-
"Does a 6.4 make oil because there's something wrong with it or do they make oil because of the normal regen process?"
A-
"Yes"

Says it could be both ways. He thinks they normally "make" a little oil because of the regen process and also because he thinks that they leak a little bit internally all the time. Went on to say that seeing an extra quart of oil in the engine at an oil change interval is "normal" even though Ford never said out loud that that was normal. He thinks that comes from the pump leaking a little bit over time and not from injectors leaking but it could be injectors leaking a little bit over time.
He said when they're a gallon or 2 overfull, that's when you have to worry about it. That's when the pump fails and when they run away.
He then asked if this was a buddy of mine with a 6.4 and I said kind of. And then he said "tell your buddy to get rid of it."
They have a less-than-amazing reputation over the long period.
He said to change your oil every 5k miles.
He's been a Ford diesel tech for 20+years and has worked on several hunt-wa members' trucks in the past on the side. He knows what he's talking about.

Well that is both informative and a bit disconcerting!

Appreciate the reseach and transparent feedback!
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Re: Motor oil question
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2022, 12:21:35 AM »
While not a Ford i own a dodge ram 3500 Cummins.  I use Rotella oil in the grey bottle semi-synthetic.  I have sent off 2 oil samples for oil analysis to Blackstone labs. I did one at 5000k and one at 7500k.  Both times i was told oil looks awesome and keep up whatever i been doing.  Theres story of guys going to 15k.  I go to 7500K. Use top of the line Fleet guard STRATAPORE oil filters.   Also use a top line Baldwin fuel filter. I change mine once a year but i dont drive my truck much. Baldwin is the smallest micron filter available for my truck. Hope it helps the injectors and pump last longer. So far so good.  Just spend the money on the good filters.

 


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