We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor

[Special T]

I think future donations and the finite amount of money we as hunters have would be better served going to other, more established sportsmen groups at this point like the sportsmens alliance, HOWL for wildlife, etc. React how you will to that but when you lose the big game before it even starts you find a new quarterback. This issue is too important for this not to be brought up on here.

Antis spread thier money around more freely than we do. They are idealistic zealots that we could learn something from. perhaps we should learn to enjoy our fight with them as much as chasing the game we love. If we dont we might loose both.

[jackelope]

Is it a bad idea to consider joining forces with other groups like Sportsmen’s alliance in this fight? Is there logic in one big fight with a bunch of $$ combined rather than a few little ones?

It is my understanding that joining the WWC lawsuit was pitched to several national organizations including SA.  They wanted a multi pronged attack so didn't sign on. I personally think they have a different strategy because they have in house council. That doesn't make that strategy better or worse just different. WWC doesn't have any paid staff so they have to hire out legal council. I dont know of any national orgs that have signed onto the SA alliance either. Im not sure if its ego so much as its defending funding and memberships.  Sportsmen don't spread their $ around like the antis do, nor do the National  hunting orgs work together as well compared to the antis.

I think the dismissal of the WWC case is political. I stated why I think that, and the WWC letter states a couple of other reasons that back my assertion. Sadly this point of attack seems gone. The Antis dont give up when they lose, nor do they talk poorly about other orgs that pull in the same direction. SA is right insofar as a multi pronged attack diverts attention from their mission and can put them on the defense. They dont cry about a loss they just use it to stir up more support. Sportsmen wont find the silver bullet. WWC took an ambitious shot at making a major move against the anti hunting movement and failed. As hunters we learn from our failures, WWC members and BOD members are as well.

I cant wait to find out which orgs take the fight to the Antis with the kinds of tactics they have used for a long time. I cant wait to be a part of it!

Gotcha. Thanks.

[Special T]

JT Austin was the Natural Resources advisor for Inslee before Musgrave. JT was responsible for most of these clowns and illegal appointment's and made a hasty disappearance. JT was likely the party to which a bunch of the illegal appointment's could be point at.

What makes the appointments “illegal”? 

Well the fact that the governor didn't follow RCW 77.04.040 which stated sportsmen groups need to be consulted, Balance between the stakeholders is necessary...

Now apparently this appointed judge thinks that this RCW can be ignored because  The govenor has wide latitude in selection of appointments. Ironically I dont think the names of the commissioners that were selected were ever on a public list that sportsmen could have vetted... I wonder if that could have been one of the pieces of evidence for the case.. Or perhaps they were scared of discovery that would revel the daming communications between the Govenor, JT Austin, and Anti hunting groups.

I can only assume that you havent ready anything that WWC or others have posted on this issue, or the court filings because its all in those documents even if you disagree... But a trail wont take place so the point is moot.

[Skyvalhunter]

Ruth serves on boards of directors or advisory boards of several national wildlife organizations, and manages a charitable foundation for wildlife and domestic animals. Seems to me there is a conflict of interest going on. ruth@ncelenviro.org

[Russ McDonald]

JT Austin was the Natural Resources advisor for Inslee before Musgrave. JT was responsible for most of these clowns and illegal appointment's and made a hasty disappearance. JT was likely the party to which a bunch of the illegal appointment's could be point at.

What makes the appointments “illegal”? 

Well the fact that the governor didn't follow RCW 77.04.040 which stated sportsmen groups need to be consulted, Balance between the stakeholders is necessary...

Now apparently this appointed judge thinks that this RCW can be ignored because  The govenor has wide latitude in selection of appointments. Ironically I dont think the names of the commissioners that were selected were ever on a public list that sportsmen could have vetted... I wonder if that could have been one of the pieces of evidence for the case.. Or perhaps they were scared of discovery that would revel the daming communications between the Govenor, JT Austin, and Anti hunting groups.

I can only assume that you havent ready anything that WWC or others have posted on this issue, or the court filings because its all in those documents even if you disagree... But a trail wont take place so the point is moot.

There is another RCW 77.04.040 that wasn't being followed either.  It states that to be appointed to the commision, you can not hold another state, county, or municipal appointive office.  I believe that is a lawsuit that was brought up on Lorna Smith.  She was on a county planning commision when she was appointed and was not following the rcw.  She has resigned that position to appease that lawsuit.  I believe one of the other was on the commision but is no longer was also appointed not followong the rcw.

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[KNOPHISH]

I don’t think I saw an answer if the judges ruling can be appealed? The 2 ruling reasons do not make any sense.

[pianoman9701]

A ruling "with prejudice" can't be appealed or brought again before the same court. Any ruling can be appealed to a higher court. That doesn't mean that the higher court will accept the appeal. That is my understanding.

[bigtex]

So there is a secretary that makes the commision selections for the governor in his office.  She selects them and he rubber stamps it.  I don't remeber her name but she is anti hunting.  As far as him signing the proclamation for National Hunting and Fishing Day.  He has done that for years.

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Not a secretary but rather his natural resource advisor. The governor often makes close to 100 commission/board appointments per month. If you think he's sifting thru all their applications and making selections you're wrong. It's his numerous advisors who do the selections and his name is simply added as the signatory official.

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[Skyvalhunter]

Time to make her aware we are on to her antics

[pianoman9701]

What's her name and email address? Should be public record.

[buckfvr]

Time to bestow some unpleasantness into her each and every day.

[Mustelidae]

Ruth Musgrave
Senior Policy Advisor, Natural Resources
360-522-6031
ruth.musgrave@gov.wa.gov

[pianoman9701]

Bingo

[jackelope]

Ruth Musgrave
Senior Policy Advisor, Natural Resources
360-522-6031
ruth.musgrave@gov.wa.gov

Let’s make sure we leave it at that. We don’t allow sharing of personal information, regardless of who it is. This info is fine as it’s her state employee info.

[pianoman9701]

Ruth Musgrave
Senior Policy Advisor, Natural Resources
360-522-6031
ruth.musgrave@gov.wa.gov

Let’s make sure we leave it at that. We don’t allow sharing of personal information, regardless of who it is. This info is fine as it’s her state employee info.

Yep, public information.