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Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« on: January 25, 2023, 11:15:35 PM »
Anyone know if WDFW can make a decision on incentivizing bear and cougar harvest in the blues without it going before the commission? We all know the downfall of the elk in the blues and the reason why and all the BS with the commission and predator harvest and handcuffing WDFW. If WDFW could give out bonus points to successful bear and cougar hunters, you would get way more participation in problem areas and might actually make a difference in helping lower some predator numbers.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2023, 03:53:56 AM »
How would the WDFW know if the bear or cougar came out of the Blues to award the point?  I guess they could have a separate season but that would likely shorten the regular bear/cougar seasons we have now.  I am not against the idea just don't know how it would be policed to award the points.  Maybe expand it state wide if you kill a bear or cougar you get a point.
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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2023, 04:34:18 AM »
I think that’s a great idea, however, I think we are past the point of “boot hunting” management.

We need to be baiting bears and running them with hounds.
We also need to be running lions with hounds.

Any little bit helps, but a major management change must occur in the Blues or it’s going to be too late.
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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2023, 05:59:57 AM »
I think that’s a great idea, however, I think we are past the point of “boot hunting” management.

We need to be baiting bears and running them with hounds.
We also need to be running lions with hounds.

Any little bit helps, but a major management change must occur in the Blues or it’s going to be too late.

I totally agree with everything above, but thats never going to happen in WA.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2023, 06:01:46 AM »
How would the WDFW know if the bear or cougar came out of the Blues to award the point?  I guess they could have a separate season but that would likely shorten the regular bear/cougar seasons we have now.  I am not against the idea just don't know how it would be policed to award the points.  Maybe expand it state wide if you kill a bear or cougar you get a point.

They could issue area specific tags that are only valid in certain gmus to qualify...ID has 2 different tag system

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2023, 07:18:58 AM »
Can the tribes use dogs/bait in the ceded and U&A lands? Could they bring in contracted houndsmen (non tribal) to their ceded/U&A for predator management under their wildlife management?

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 07:41:57 AM »
I think taking the same avenue of approach as the timber damage  spring bear permits could work. The commissioners who are bought and paid for by the animal rights activist groups refuse to support "recreational" spring bear hunts, but they say they'll support it's use as a management tool. We should propose a fawn and calf predation hunt in areas with low recruitment.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 07:49:58 AM »
Can the tribes use dogs/bait in the ceded and U&A lands? Could they bring in contracted houndsmen (non tribal) to their ceded/U&A for predator management under their wildlife management?

They Could but the Tribes in that area arnt really inclined. They seem to like predators for some reason. Remember Indians are not a homogeneous group. It likely wouldnt take  much encouragement from some tribes.

Director Kelly increased the bag limit to 2 in the blues. That is about the extent of his power. I think it was good that he did something, but like others have said... we are past boot hunting being effective.
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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2023, 08:05:24 AM »
At what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?
Serious question.

Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.
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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2023, 08:13:22 AM »
At what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?
Serious question.

Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.

According to the game management plan it is an emergency, they are 25% below objective. Normally that would meant that they would use hounds and cull the culprit in this case cats. BUT  they dont have that option, and Im not sure what other options would be effective.
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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2023, 09:18:07 AM »
How would the WDFW know if the bear or cougar came out of the Blues to award the point?  I guess they could have a separate season but that would likely shorten the regular bear/cougar seasons we have now.  I am not against the idea just don't know how it would be policed to award the points.  Maybe expand it state wide if you kill a bear or cougar you get a point.
:yeah:
I agree hard to say where it came from.
I know it's a proven facts of what's happening in the Blues.
It should be a sign of what's happening all across the state.
Hunter recruitment is the key,take someone with you bear or cougar hunting.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2023, 10:10:53 AM »
I just wanted to add......

It's just like the two tags for black bear.
Our harvest rate hasn't really went up that much.
It's all about the amount of hunters.
You can give out 5 tags per hunter ,but if the same amount of hunters go to the field,harvest rate stays the same.

We all know this next statement to be true.

If the same amount of hunters that hunt deer/elk hunted predators we wouldn't have a predator problem.

Longer seasons,higher bag limits is a start.
Honestly I'm not even sure if WDFW could incentive any predator hunt ,under there own hunting contest rules.

Any kind of incentive,turns it into a contest with prizes ,which they stoped a long time ago.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2023, 10:11:00 AM »
If you search for "PIP" or  "predator incentive points" you'll find some old threads by your's truly

Got shot down pretty quickly, basically ridiculed

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2023, 10:13:00 AM »
My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.
Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

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Re: Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2023, 10:14:51 AM »
If you search for "PIP" or  "predator incentive points" you'll find some old threads by your's truly

Got shot down pretty quickly, basically ridiculed

I'm sure being from my hood.
You remember Clark's predator contest each year.
Thought it was a brand new rifle or something for the grand prize.

 


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