HB 1240 "Assault Weapons Ban" Passes House

[turkeyfeather]

Does anyone know if there is an advocacy group or lawyers or anything that is prepared to fight this the minute it's passed.

[time2hunt]

If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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[jrebel]

Listening the meeting today, it sounded like they were banning suppressors, semi auto handguns, threaded barrels, all parts, collapsible stocks, etc. 

Did you know collapsible stocks make rifles more powerful and deadly??  It was news to me too!!   Just like flash suppressors make them more deadly.   I can’t make this stuff up.   

[jrebel]

https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Start watching at 39min 33 seconds.  Prepare to be pissed.  Last approx 50 minutes. 

[pickardjw]

If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

[huntnphool]

 Thank the libs again!

[Ghost Hunter]

If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.

[Ghost Hunter]

https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Start watching at 39min 33 seconds.  Prepare to be pissed.  Last approx 50 minutes. 

I couldn't sleep so I got up and am still in process of watching this.  Taking periodic breaks to    Not sure I'm going to be able to sleep for weeks.      

[pickardjw]

If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.

Which jrebel post and which link? I've read the bill multiple times through and just read all proposed amendments from yesterday's hearing. Neither the adopted amendment or the withdrawn/not adopted amendments appear to change the status of suppressors in the bill.

[goosehunter12]

That was hard to watch - they didn't care what was said

I'm trying to also figure out the suppresser - I didn't think it was part of the original bill - getting a bit stress since I currently have 2 more sitting in jail.

[Ghost Hunter]

If I’m reading this right they are also banning suppressors ?

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825


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If that’s a link to the original bill, then no.

Read jrebel post.  Then open the link and get prepared for hearing the bad news.

Which jrebel post and which link? I've read the bill multiple times through and just read all proposed amendments from yesterday's hearing. Neither the adopted amendment or the withdrawn/not adopted amendments appear to change the status of suppressors in the bill.

Takes an hour to watch it.     https://tvw.org/video/senate-law-justice-2023031603/?eventID=2023031603

Page 5, Lines 15 - 21 for suppressors, brakes, threaded barrels, etc.  https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1240-S.pdf?q=20230328195825

Am I reading it wrong?

[pickardjw]

I think so. If we break it down to the key parts:

Section 3
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

Section 2
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;

So the language doesn't ban suppressors, flash hiders, brakes, etc. but rather bans purchasing a semi-auto, center fire rifle that has a detachable magazine AND one of those items.

[Ghost Hunter]

I think so. If we break it down to the key parts:

Section 3
(1) No person in this state may manufacture, import, distribute, sell, or offer for sale any assault weapon, except as authorized in this section.

Section 2
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:

(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;

So the language doesn't ban suppressors, flash hiders, brakes, etc. but rather bans purchasing a semi-auto, center fire rifle that has a detachable magazine AND one of those items.

So how will you attach the suppressor?

[jrebel]

The ambiguity of this bill is a huge problem.  At one point they exclude "bolt" action rifles, but in another section they state adjustable stocks, threaded barrels, detachable mag, ect are going to be illegal.  So...can my Savage stealth with adjustable stock, detachable mag and threaded barrel still be purchased and sold or is not an outlawed rifle???  I would interpret it as a "bolt" action rifle and say it is not involved in this bill.....after watching the clown show yesterday....I would argue the law makers will see it another way.  At a minimum, it clearly opens the door for more reform to come. 

Republican law makers tried to have definitions changed for pistols, threaded barrels, suppressors, etc. etc. etc.....in yesterdays hearings.  The Dems were having none of it.  On multiple occasions, the republicans stated, "unless your intent" is to ban more pistols...we need to update the definitions.  Dems, ask for a no vote, not responding to the concerns of of the Republicans and the moved the bill along without further discussion. 

I think their intent is very clear. 

[highside74]

Yes yesterday was a complete S show. The Republicans tried to make changes multiple times. Only one of those was successful. That being the portion I posted about leaving the state with your own gun and returning with that gun won't make you a criminal. Everything else failed.

The problem I saw that made me do frustrated is nobody on either side actually knew what they were talking about. The Republicans had nothing to counter with after their initial statement and then the response from the Ds. The response to the muzzle brake from the D wasn't routed in reality at all. She literally said it could be used like a silencer and make it hard to pinpoint an active shooter. I'd like to have her stand next to a brake at the range and make that statement again.

The one guy wanted to change the name in the Bill from Assault Rifle to Modern Sporting Rifle. The Ds response was its been called and Assault Rifle for years by many people. He had no response except to talk about calling a car a death chariot. They had no good responses for the times that I was watching.