Electric trucks ? No thank you

[jackelope]

Also msrp for a lightning starts at $50k. A full load platinum lightning is $95k roughly. So he’s also an idiot for paying $20k or more over Msrp for an electric truck that he “needed for work”.

Why would you buy a truck that won’t make it to your cabin without needing to be charged before you got there? Dumb purchase.

This guy deserves what he got.

I wouldn't buy one at all....EVER! I don't give a rip about the charge or how long it lasts! They'd love everyone to own an electric vehicle so they can shut you down whenever they want.

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Huh?
Who’s they and how exactly do you think they are going to “shut you down?”

What’s the difference between whatever you’re implying here with am EV and disabling Onstar? Mostly positive that onstar doesmt have the ability to shut your truck down. I’m 100% positive it didn’t have that ability less than 10 years ago and onstar has been around 20+ years. I used to install it on GM vehicles before it was a factory installed option. 

[grizzlyadams]

Well if I can start it or shut it down through OnStar remotely. So can a tyrannical entity.

Getting too deep into the weeds on this. Let's just say your leaders love EV's due to the ability to control your ability to move about freely.

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[jackelope]

Well if I can start it or shut it down through OnStar remotely. So can a tyrannical entity.

Getting too deep into the weeds on this. Let's just say your leaders love EV's due to the ability to control your ability to move about freely.

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Got it.

I don’t mean to debunk your thoughts on government control of EV’s on this one, but you can remote start and shut off pretty much everything Chevy and Ford makes over the last few years irregardless of whether it’s EV powered or not. MyChevrolet App or the FordPass app does it all.

[grizzlyadams]

You're correct but if you read my earlier post you'll see that I removed the components that make that happen. It's not well published but the info on how and what is out there.  No warning lights and truck still operates as normal. It just can be tracked or receive their signals or be remotely operated at all anymore.



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[jackelope]

You're correct but if you read my earlier post you'll see that I removed the components that make that happen. It's not well published but the info on how and what is out there.  No warning lights and truck still operates as normal. It just can be tracked or receive their signals or be remotely operated at all anymore.



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My point in my comments was related to the ones you made earlier about the EV stuff. You mentioned never getting an EV because of the government control. I was just saying it doesn’t have to be an EV to be able to remote start  a vehicle with a phone. Or whatever method.

Hell, I can tell how much gas my wife’s car has in it from my desktop computer at work when she’s 100 miles away somewhere on a trip. I can’t turn her car on or off though…

[Ridgeratt]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

Anything that has a electronic keypad has a manufactured backdoor.
Jackalope doesn't Ford have a master code to get into the keyless entry on the door?
When your dealership takes a trade-in, they don't ask for the old door code they just reset it.

[grizzlyadams]

Exactly!  For tracking we have Faraday bags for our phones if we want them to go dark.

We don't need to be connected to today's  electronic society be happy. As a matter of fact we are more happy without it. We dont live in the dark ages but we reserve the right to our privacy and autonomy in every instance if desired. We use stuff but have no problem cutting the cord either.

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[grizzlyadams]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

They 100% have that ability with stingray tech. From the ground or air and you'll never know they downliaded every bite of data you have stored on your phone and in every app. They can see it all and you think your phone  is just connected to a cell phone tower.

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[jackelope]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

Anything that has a electronic keypad has a manufactured backdoor.
Jackalope doesn't Ford have a master code to get into the keyless entry on the door?
When your dealership takes a trade-in, they don't ask for the old door code they just reset it.

We don’t reset it or ask for the code. There’s no such thing as a master code. There is a key pad code, but it can’t be retrieved without the vehicle present and open/unlocked and powered on.

If the owner of the vehicle “connects” his vehicle to the web, I can see it. If they don’t connect it, I can’t see it. It’s not my call. It’s up to the owner of the vehicle. And no, I don’t care if someone can see how much gas is in my car. 90+% of owners have their vehicles connected. It’s not accidental. It’s an involved process. They do it 100% on purpose. I can’t start their car or turn it off. I can’t track it. I can’t change their radio stations or anything.

[jackelope]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

They 100% have that ability with stingray tech. From the ground or air and you'll never know they downliaded every bite of data you have stored on your phone and in every app. They can see it all and you think your phone  is just connected to a cell phone tower.

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1- you posted all of that from a phone using an app.

2- 10+ years working for Ford and I’ve never heard of “stingray tech.”

[jackelope]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

Anything that has a electronic keypad has a manufactured backdoor.
Jackalope doesn't Ford have a master code to get into the keyless entry on the door?
When your dealership takes a trade-in, they don't ask for the old door code they just reset it.

The keypad in a Ford uses the same means to unlock the doors that your remote key fob uses to lock and unlock the doors. There’s no secret back door. The key pad code is factory set and can’t be changed. I don’t have any way to know what it is unless we plug into the DLC with our scan tool and retrieve the code. The door has to be open and the car has to be powered on. Doesn’t have to be running, just on. The owner can add their own code if they want, but the factory code always will work.

[grizzlyadams]

So you are happy with that much access to your wife's vehicle. If you can see it someone else also has the same information.  They can track your location on your cell phone or any of your apps.
Who's to say that they have the ability to override your apps.

They 100% have that ability with stingray tech. From the ground or air and you'll never know they downliaded every bite of data you have stored on your phone and in every app. They can see it all and you think your phone  is just connected to a cell phone tower.

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1- you posted all of that from a phone using an app.

2- 10+ years working for Ford and I’ve never heard of “stingray tech.”

1-Yes as I stated previously I have the ability to go dark at any time. Yes I use the app and a smart phone. However it is de-googled and can be put in a Faraday bag whenever I want. If needed I can kick it to the curb and live without it at any time.

2-Stingray and Dirtbox tech was developed and built by Boeing. It is used by law enforcement,  alphabet agencies, DOD, and other NGO's on contract with the Fed's. Also used on Q9 and Q4 drones as well as multiple other platforms in the military and civilan aircraft. It mimics a cell phone tower and diverts every person's cell phone signals and data within a 25 mile radius to data centers where teams of personnel analyze your data and you'll never know it unless you're tracking flights around your location. Say thank you to your government for the Patriot Act.

Some (not all) local law enforcement have vehicles on the ground using it. It is much more limited on the ground than in the air. Effective radius is cut in half. Not only can they get all of your data, they can force software into your OS without your knowledge.

The same tech can be used on your vehicle from satellite, aircraft or on the ground.

Sounds like you're in the dark about many things. Start doing some research and learn about what's really going on around you.

Ask me how I know? Let's just say I do for now.


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[jackelope]

Not sure “in the dark” is the right term.

[Gettin Birdie]

The ONLY reason I am against EV's is simple, to get all the components, you are in the process of destroying the planet!!   Going "green" is at best, Hypocritical  After a EV is done, it become toxic waste. 

Ya it would take decades to get the infrastructure in place, BUT, what is the left doing to make that impossible???  Oh ya, tear out dams, shut down coal and nuclear.  Wind and solar ARE NOT going to be able to meet the needs, beside, after 25 years THEY become toxic waste!!

Yep going green is only about the green going into politicians and lobbyist bank accounts!

You are a man who observes the truth, regardless of partisan B.S. , couldn't have said it better and I'm a "millenial".  So, there is still hope timberfaller!  We might end up in the shadows, but truth will prevail.

@jackelope, sad part is, electric vehicles aren't a bad idea, they are great for city dwellers and people who don't go far, it's just the fact that they are trying to force it on the whole country.  It's not remotely sustainable in rural communities at all, and the environmental devastation it allows is nowhere near green.  Slave labor in Africa, owned by the Chinese for cobalt...where's the moral superiority on that one?  Things in thought v. practicality are often way different, when pushed by $$, they've actually ruined the "green" movement, cause it's not about the Earth's green, but pockets of it.  And just FYI, 'irregardless' is not a word, it is 'regardless' and I mean no insult about that at all, it took me many years to be told that and realize it myself, just a friendly gesture is meant by pointing that out. 

I'd never own an EV, because it is not practical for me, not because I don't "care about the environment"  All of us as hunter's do, we are the main proponents for it.  I get it, you work for Ford, but don't be blinded by that and realize you don't have to agree with what they do as a big corporation in it's entirety to earn a living. 

[jackelope]

The ONLY reason I am against EV's is simple, to get all the components, you are in the process of destroying the planet!!   Going "green" is at best, Hypocritical  After a EV is done, it become toxic waste. 

Ya it would take decades to get the infrastructure in place, BUT, what is the left doing to make that impossible???  Oh ya, tear out dams, shut down coal and nuclear.  Wind and solar ARE NOT going to be able to meet the needs, beside, after 25 years THEY become toxic waste!!

Yep going green is only about the green going into politicians and lobbyist bank accounts!

You are a man who observes the truth, regardless of partisan B.S. , couldn't have said it better and I'm a "millenial".  So, there is still hope timberfaller!  We might end up in the shadows, but truth will prevail.

@jackelope, sad part is, electric vehicles aren't a bad idea, they are great for city dwellers and people who don't go far, it's just the fact that they are trying to force it on the whole country.  It's not remotely sustainable in rural communities at all, and the environmental devastation it allows is nowhere near green.  Slave labor in Africa, owned by the Chinese for cobalt...where's the moral superiority on that one?  Things in thought v. practicality are often way different, when pushed by $$, they've actually ruined the "green" movement, cause it's not about the Earth's green, but pockets of it.  And just FYI, 'irregardless' is not a word, it is 'regardless' and I mean no insult about that at all, it took me many years to be told that and realize it myself, just a friendly gesture is meant by pointing that out. 

I'd never own an EV, because it is not practical for me, not because I don't "care about the environment"  All of us as hunter's do, we are the main proponents for it.  I get it, you work for Ford, but don't be blinded by that and realize you don't have to agree with what they do as a big corporation in it's entirety to earn a living.

Does it seem like I’m promoting EV’s? I’m totally not. There’s a good chance I’ll never buy one also. Definitely not buying one at this point in my life. I am promoting that consumers should not be dummies. If someone is going to buy one, great. Do the research and don’t blame it on someone else if you make a poor choice.

Irregardless is absolutely a word.