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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2023, 07:25:47 PM »
Here is a Car and Driver article that supports the EV “heater” not being an issue.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38807463/tesla-model-3-climate-control-cold-weather-test/
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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2023, 09:10:51 PM »
Here is a Car and Driver article that supports the EV “heater” not being an issue.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38807463/tesla-model-3-climate-control-cold-weather-test/

But but but ….
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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2023, 10:27:25 PM »
Yeah, can any of the folks who support the EV nonsense explain to me how the battery survives in temperatures above 85 degrees? I would like you to post actual studies or evidence of something showing that its going to work. Because lithium ion and lithium iron batteries are meant to stay below 85 degrees during operation if I recall correctly. Kind of confusing that they would push in that direction with summers getting hotter every year due to Al Gore causing global warming...  :chuckle::dunno:

Not to promote nonsense, but here are my observations from my actual study of operating one, for what they are worth.  Non-scientific study:

Finding a working charger is not easy.  I wouldn’t bet on getting home on by finding a recharge.

Batteries work great at 85 degrees.  They get much hotter under high amp draw.  I actually get better range and performance when its hot out. 

Performance drops when its cold.  I notice a distinct drop in hp and range when it’s below 40 degrees or so.

Performance drops as the battery level drops.  But range increases.  I get more range on the 2nd half of a charge than I get on the top half, but the 0 to 30mph time isn’t as impressive.

It does not degrade the battery to give them a partial charge.  They are supposed to last longer when the charge is kept between 20% and 80%.  And the last 20% of the charge takes the most time.  I haven’t noticed any change in performance or range after 2 years of operation.

Water crossings are scary.


What’s the point of your questions?  Thinking of buying one?

No that's just all of the hearsay I get about them. (The nonsense part) I know a few people who have them. I have read about some of the points I brought up also. Like battery life degrading from certain conditions and heat being a problem for lithium batteries is fairly common knowledge. They do degrade quicker when above 85 degrees. But lithium batteries can operate up to 140 degrees. And down to -40 according to Google. I just d I nt know that enough evidence is out there to show they will not cost you $20,000 every 6-10 yrs. And i do know where several Teala charging locations are. Don't really pay attention to the others.  :dunno:

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2023, 10:29:50 PM »
Yeah, can any of the folks who support the EV nonsense explain to me how the battery survives in temperatures above 85 degrees? I would like you to post actual studies or evidence of something showing that its going to work. Because lithium ion and lithium iron batteries are meant to stay below 85 degrees during operation if I recall correctly. Kind of confusing that they would push in that direction with summers getting hotter every year due to Al Gore causing global warming...  :chuckle::dunno:

Not to promote nonsense, but here are my observations from my actual study of operating one, for what they are worth.  Non-scientific study:

Finding a working charger is not easy.  I wouldn’t bet on getting home on by finding a recharge.

Batteries work great at 85 degrees.  They get much hotter under high amp draw.  I actually get better range and performance when its hot out. 

Performance drops when its cold.  I notice a distinct drop in hp and range when it’s below 40 degrees or so.

Performance drops as the battery level drops.  But range increases.  I get more range on the 2nd half of a charge than I get on the top half, but the 0 to 30mph time isn’t as impressive.

It does not degrade the battery to give them a partial charge.  They are supposed to last longer when the charge is kept between 20% and 80%.  And the last 20% of the charge takes the most time.  I haven’t noticed any change in performance or range after 2 years of operation.

Water crossings are scary.


What’s the point of your questions?  Thinking of buying one?

No that's just all of the hearsay I get about them. I know a few people who have them. I have read about some of the points I brought up also. Like battery life degrading from certain conditions and heat being a problem for lithium batteries is fairly common knowledge. They do degrade quicker when above 85 degrees. But lithium batteries can operate up to 140 degrees. And down to -40 according to Google. I just d I nt know that enough evidence is out there to show they will not cost you $20,000 every 6-10 yrs.  :dunno:

They’re covered under warranty for a minimum of 8 years. Most cover them to 10 years.
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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2023, 08:49:37 AM »
The only thing polarizing about this topic is a totalitarian, now communist government trying to take away your freedom to choose. Buy what you want but when they try to force you that's where I, and tens of millions draw the line. They have an agenda and have shown the past few years their intentions are evil. There is no such thing as zero foot print and the forced child labor to mine the lithium in other countries is documented and we'll known but they don't want you to know about that as long as you're forced to buy what the lawmakers have invested in to enrich themselves.

I guess ignorance really is bliss

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Spot on :tup:!  That is my only issue with electric, the political nature it has taken on, not actual science and morality/ethics used to promote what it is good for.  There is zero foot print, but it takes me, you and the vast majority of the world to be six feet under, then the oligarchal overlords can have it all to themselves  ;) 

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2023, 10:10:44 AM »
The only thing polarizing about this topic is a totalitarian, now communist government trying to take away your freedom to choose. Buy what you want but when they try to force you that's where I, and tens of millions draw the line. They have an agenda and have shown the past few years their intentions are evil. There is no such thing as zero foot print and the forced child labor to mine the lithium in other countries is documented and we'll known but they don't want you to know about that as long as you're forced to buy what the lawmakers have invested in to enrich themselves.

I guess ignorance really is bliss

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Spot on :tup:!  That is my only issue with electric, the political nature it has taken on, not actual science and morality/ethics used to promote what it is good for.  There is zero foot print, but it takes me, you and the vast majority of the world to be six feet under, then the oligarchal overlords can have it all to themselves  ;)

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2023, 10:47:19 AM »
The big problem is we look at it in terms of isolation.  It's not EV or not, it's EV or oil for the base form of energy for transportation.  So to talk about lithium mining without a similar discussion and comparison to the human rights of entire countries, say Saudi Arabia, say Iran, say Russia is not intellectually honest.

There are people pushing EV for the money.  There have been people pushing oil for money for over 200 years.  Nothing changes in business and politics.

What source of energy would most benefit our country?  I don't think you can argue for oil.  It's a global commodity price controlled by people that hate us.  Technology, efficiency, performance, whatever doesn't even matter, you can't ultimately win in that system with those rules.

Once we are honest about this, it's more of a question of how to make the transition happen and there is plenty of space there to argue.

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #112 on: October 25, 2023, 09:52:07 PM »
I am Disapoint. (there is a joke in there)  :chuckle:
I have always been a Ford Fan. But No More.    >:(   Seems most, if not all, corporate CEO's need to be Fired for their Extremely Poor Performance.  :twocents:

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #113 on: October 25, 2023, 10:00:15 PM »
I am Disapoint. (there is a joke in there)  :chuckle:
I have always been a Ford Fan. But No More.    >:(   Seems most, if not all, corporate CEO's need to be Fired for their Extremely Poor Performance.  :twocents:

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Why should someone believe the guy who calls a Ford truck an E-150? That’s an old 1/2 ton Econoline van.

Your video is 6 months old. They resumed production a few months ago.

Lots of production of lots of vehicles stopped due to supply chain issues over the last few years. If you’re going to flip Ford crap, they stopped production of a heck of a lot more than just Lightning.

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #114 on: October 31, 2023, 03:01:50 PM »
In case you are attacked by a mad archer;


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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #115 on: October 31, 2023, 03:10:04 PM »
Seems like the CT can do everything except be delivered.   :chuckle:

I'm picking up a Model Y tomorrow, should look great parked next to the F-150.  I'll be able to irritate 90% of the population with that combo.

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #116 on: October 31, 2023, 03:43:56 PM »
Seems like the CT can do everything except be delivered.   :chuckle:

I'm picking up a Model Y tomorrow, should look great parked next to the F-150.  I'll be able to irritate 90% of the population with that combo.

Good luck with the new car.  :tup:  Let us know how it works out for you.


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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2023, 05:28:05 PM »
That car is unbelievable and the whole Tesla universe is equally impressive, unlike anything the legacy manufacturers can come close to matching.  It reminded me of my first smartphone, it's like a whole different thing.  I would be surprised if we ever buy a gas car or even an electric from anyone else until they get up to speed with where Tesla is.  Still need the gas truck for obvious reasons, but it won't be driven nearly as much.

Kind of surprising as I thought the Tesla fanboy club was pretty obnoxious, now I'm a very reluctant member.

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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #118 on: November 02, 2023, 06:29:04 PM »
That car is unbelievable and the whole Tesla universe is equally impressive, unlike anything the legacy manufacturers can come close to matching.  It reminded me of my first smartphone, it's like a whole different thing.  I would be surprised if we ever buy a gas car or even an electric from anyone else until they get up to speed with where Tesla is.  Still need the gas truck for obvious reasons, but it won't be driven nearly as much.

Kind of surprising as I thought the Tesla fanboy club was pretty obnoxious, now I'm a very reluctant member.

Clearly you’ve learned how to make it make fart noises.
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Re: Electric trucks ? No thank you
« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2023, 07:11:27 PM »
Absolutely.  I discovered the live camera feed and was checking that out when I noticed the fart button below it on my phone.  Just then, I noticed my wife walking up to the car at her work to get in..... :chuckle:

 


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