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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2023, 04:42:56 PM »
I have a Remington 700 LR (Long Range) in .300 WM.......Burris 2-10x42 Veracity Scope. Set up to hunt elk. I bought it in Montana at Sportsmans (no sales tax and with a $30 off coupon) for somewhere in the $600 range.

***It will print under 1" at 300 yards, which is the longest range available locally to me. And that's where it stays zeroed.

***I only shoot factory ammo......180 gr. Barnes VOR-TX. Have tried other loads and tested those marketed as LR. Barnes VOR-TX always printed better.

***The factory trigger was pretty good.....it was Remington's replacement trigger, from the one that was a problem. But off it came and was replaced with a Timney from midwayusa.

***Not sure of actual weight but I carry it across my chest with a safari sling.....which makes it feel fairly lightweight and can be carried hands free. Conventional slings were uncomfortable.

***I bought the rifle after elk hunting in Oregon in open country. Between the heavy winds and the distance of shots...400-450 yards, I needed to make a change from my lightweight rifle, too hard to make the light barrel hold still. Not real good for offhand......just need to get stable and the extra weight helps.


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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2023, 08:09:12 PM »
Iím in a similar boat. Except Iím trading my current .300 WM to get one that is threaded and has a shorter barrel for using a suppressor.  I have been doing a lot of research. Two that I would really strongly consider are a Seekins PH2 and a Springfield Armory Waypoint. 

P.S. I will have my .300 WM up for sale soon. Itís a trued Howa 1500 action with 26Ē Broughton mag sporter barrel , Timney trigger, and Hogue full bedding block stock. Action and barrel are grey Cerakote. (custom work was done by BPI rifles out of Dillon Montana before they moved their operation to the Midwest). Right at 9lbs. Shoots great. Best guess is 70-80 rounds through it. I have taken 2 elk and a bear all between 400 and 500 yards. I was planning to list it at $900.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2023, 08:35:49 PM »
You might look at the Springfield Arms Waypoint 2020. Incredibly accurate rifle. Mine shoots 1/2 MOA all day long.
Iíll second this vote only because rumors are 7 prc are starting to show up in gun stores even though their website doesnít show that in their long action calibers (or didnít a few weeks ago when I last checked). I could have saved a lot of money on my last two custom builds as they are specíd very similar to the waypoint.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2023, 05:53:21 AM »
700 yards is a long ways for hunting with a .300 win mag especially with factory ammo and tough bullets like an accubond. Per Nosler's website, you will be at about 1793 FPS at that distance with their 180gr accubond load which is on the bottom edge of getting reliable expansion with that bullet design.


 If you are serious about wanting to shoot that far you might look into the 7PRC or even 300 PRC. Lots of rifles out there and factory ammo is available/growing in variety.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2023, 09:21:32 AM »
Several outfits are clearing out the Sako S20, $1600 down to $999, Eurooptic and some on gunbroker among others.  Well reviewed rifle.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2023, 11:39:26 AM »
700 yards is a long ways for hunting with a .300 win mag especially with factory ammo and tough bullets like an accubond. Per Nosler's website, you will be at about 1793 FPS at that distance with their 180gr accubond load which is on the bottom edge of getting reliable expansion with that bullet design.


 If you are serious about wanting to shoot that far you might look into the 7PRC or even 300 PRC. Lots of rifles out there and factory ammo is available/growing in variety.

Push that bad boy out past 1000 😂 really only need 1000-1200 fps for bullet expansion.
If you shoot the first one you will never get that true trophy.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2023, 01:44:11 PM »
I suppose I should have been more specific; I don't plan on hunting elk at 700 yards. I do plan on practicing out to 700+ accurately with the hope of sub 600 yard shots. As I said, I currently shoot Accubonds but have reloading equipment and plan to play around with other projectiles in the future. I want a rifle capable of whatever I decide to do; my current rifle is not the gun to do that with. I've been hunting with a 300 win mag for probably 20 years and have used those Accubonds for probably 15 of those; I'm very aware of their capabilities. Sub 600, would not hesitate!

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2023, 01:52:02 PM »
I suppose I should have been more specific; I don't plan on hunting elk at 700 yards. I do plan on practicing out to 700+ accurately with the hope of sub 600 yard shots. As I said, I currently shoot Accubonds but have reloading equipment and plan to play around with other projectiles in the future. I want a rifle capable of whatever I decide to do; my current rifle is not the gun to do that with. I've been hunting with a 300 win mag for probably 20 years and have used those Accubonds for probably 15 of those; I'm very aware of their capabilities. Sub 600, would not hesitate!

If you are practicing at 700 Iíd have zero hesitation taking that shot with a 300 win mag and 180gr bullet for elk. More than enough energy to drop an elk. Reality as long as that bullets 1200 fps or faster that bullet will expand and it has that out to 1,000. The key to all of it is PRACTICE.
If you shoot the first one you will never get that true trophy.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2023, 01:53:07 PM »
Both of my 300wsmís will kill at 800 yards.  Doesnít mean I hunt to those ranges, but a 300 win mag (or wsm) have enough horsepower to kill at 800-850 yards.   I wonít hunt much past 5-600 yards but they are capable.   

Past 600, I prefer the lapua!!!   :chuckle:

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2023, 04:46:48 PM »
700 yards is a long ways for hunting with a .300 win mag especially with factory ammo and tough bullets like an accubond. Per Nosler's website, you will be at about 1793 FPS at that distance with their 180gr accubond load which is on the bottom edge of getting reliable expansion with that bullet design.


 If you are serious about wanting to shoot that far you might look into the 7PRC or even 300 PRC. Lots of rifles out there and factory ammo is available/growing in variety.

Does something change with a given .308 caliber bullet where a difference of around 50fps makes you more serious at long range?

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2023, 05:02:24 PM »
700 yards is a long ways for hunting with a .300 win mag especially with factory ammo and tough bullets like an accubond. Per Nosler's website, you will be at about 1793 FPS at that distance with their 180gr accubond load which is on the bottom edge of getting reliable expansion with that bullet design.


 If you are serious about wanting to shoot that far you might look into the 7PRC or even 300 PRC. Lots of rifles out there and factory ammo is available/growing in variety.

Does something change with a given .308 caliber bullet where a difference of around 50fps makes you more serious at long range?

As long as you have the velocity needed for the bullet to perform, you will be fine.  Most bullets like at least 1700ish fps to perform optimally.  This doesn't mean they won't perform at 1600 fps, just not optimal.  Hammer Hunters (a monolithic bullet) recommend 1800 fps for their original HH's but the HHT's appear to perform down to 1700 fps.  Accubond long range and ELD-X state they will perform at 1300 ish fps (if my memory serves me) but the standard accubond recommends 1800 fps. 

For a magnum caliber to fall under that threshold of 1800 (give or take) fps, would likely mean it is to far of a shot for most hunters.  I would also look hard at the FP of energy created at those ranges and make sure it is sufficient for the game be shot at.  Again, most people shouldn't shoot at ranges that would drop the FP of energy below a threshold to kill anything in North America.  Just my two cents....

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2023, 10:09:13 AM »
I have my stainless, fluted barrel, Tikka T3 Superlite in 300 WM and I love it.  Hard not to!  I have a Nikon scope on Talley ring.  Taken caribou, deer, bear and elk with it.  For me, lightweight was the key cause I'm not a big guy and l like to hike many miles when I hunt. 

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2023, 10:23:04 AM »
If you're going to hunt long range, shoot a match bullet. Placement is key.

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Re: New Elk Rifle Help
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2023, 10:43:34 AM »
i run burger bullets, very accurate, not been an issue with animals. placement is key at range... practice long, shoot close but then that one off shot is money... if your going to look in the 180gr arena, look at a 28 nosler screamer/flat.. if your wanting 210ish, maybe 33 nosler ..... either way, accurate hammers are key... as stated, 500+ yds, factory ammo is garbage and inaccurate. if you cant run every shot in a coffee cup circle, you dont belong shooting that distance (IMO)...  :twocents:  most modern stuff is near 1moa accurate bare bones with junk ammo..thats not great at distances you are looking for but effective if practiced...you pay for what you get (which makes a big difference beyond say 500 yds and exponentially gets worse as you reach out)
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