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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....
« Last Edit: December 17, 2023, 01:21:29 PM by HUNTIN4SIX »

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So what happens when all the hunters want (are required to use) lead free bullets and ammo when there is but a small percentage of lead free available compared to that with lead ?  Less manufacturers, less supply, cant hardly get what we want now, so imagine it 10X worse, probably much higher.

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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....

Another person who failed to read the study. Its not an emergency. Literally their populations are still increasing. But it is killing eagles. So again if you fine with the fact that you may be poisoning eagles go right on ahead. But then dont go telling the commission to follow the science or say that you for conservation practices.
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So what happens when all the hunters want (are required to use) lead free bullets and ammo when there is but a small percentage of lead free available compared to that with lead ?  Less manufacturers, less supply, cant hardly get what we want now, so imagine it 10X worse, probably much higher.

 :dunno:

Another move or two and the king is surrounded.

Seems like an easy class in economics here. If demand increases supply will also have to increase. If hunters are required to purchase copper, something I doubt will happen, then more and more ammo suppliers will provide non toxic ammo. Kind of like with waterfowl ammo. Seeing it now as more and more options for lead free bullets come out.
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Here. Lets put it this way. I am telling you that there is evidence to show that lead bullets may be causing eagles to get and some are dying. Lead is toxic. I can offer you an option that is not toxic and will not be poisoning any animal. It costs - dollar or 2 more per round. You only need to use it when hunting big game and its just as if not more effective in most applications. By switching you now know for %100 that you are not poisoning other animals. I would say as hunters we have an ethical obligation to switch to ensure we know that we are doing the best for all the animals in the landscape. Again its you choice if you want to switch or not.
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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....
You realize there is generations of lead still presenting problems and killing birds,  right?
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So what happens when all the hunters want (are required to use) lead free bullets and ammo when there is but a small percentage of lead free available compared to that with lead ?  Less manufacturers, less supply, cant hardly get what we want now, so imagine it 10X worse, probably much higher.

 :dunno:

Another move or two and the king is surrounded.

Seems like an easy class in economics here. If demand increases supply will also have to increase. If hunters are required to purchase copper, something I doubt will happen, then more and more ammo suppliers will provide non toxic ammo. Kind of like with waterfowl ammo. Seeing it now as more and more options for lead free bullets come out.



Your easy class in economics is hugely optimistic considering your glass half full outlook is in danger of being kicked over by the many people outside of the hunting circle.

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The science supporting the premise that lead is harmful to birds was settled years ago. The extent to which lead bullets are a significant contributing factor is not as clear. However, I believe there is growing evidence that ammunition is a factor. Im willing to make changes in the ammunition I use.  Most major ammunition manufacturers (Barnes, Nosler, Hornady and others) offer lead free options so I dont consider it a serious inconvenience.
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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....
You realize there is generations of lead still presenting problems and killing birds,  right?
So lead shot and bullets from the 70's are still killing birds?  Am I reading that correctly?

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I have always wondered just how much lead is on the bottom of the river infront of little goose and monumental dam from the dinosaur fishing and the salmon fishing.

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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....

Another person who failed to read the study. Its not an emergency. Literally their populations are still increasing. But it is killing eagles. So again if you fine with the fact that you may be poisoning eagles go right on ahead. But then dont go telling the commission to follow the science or say that you for conservation practices.

Failed to read they study....Hmmm.  I actually went far beyond the article in my research and realized this is a big freakout with alarmist type groups pushing it.
I guess I'm ok with poisining eagles..... :dunno:  BTW....I think you should drive a EV, only when hunting though.


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Randy Newberg had a podcast that opened my eyes a while back. Hunt Talk Radio Episode 87
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4V0FnAuHrjmNUqxhV4KLuc?si=LypQ64vhQniKMdDciYYpeA

Meat Eater podcast had the same guest. Episode 354
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2dEwXj9UdJxinrOFZl8gcd?si=uOdi-4R2TMCLd629B4ewCg


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Randy Newberg had a podcast that opened my eyes a while back. Hunt Talk Radio Episode 87
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4V0FnAuHrjmNUqxhV4KLuc?si=LypQ64vhQniKMdDciYYpeA

Meat Eater podcast had the same guest. Episode 354
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2dEwXj9UdJxinrOFZl8gcd?si=uOdi-4R2TMCLd629B4ewCg
Good info here. Thanks for posting.

 


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