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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70’s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60”s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....
You realize there is generations of lead still presenting problems and killing birds,  right?
Beyond waterfowl is this true and too which species? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.
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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70’s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60”s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....
You realize there is generations of lead still presenting problems and killing birds,  right?
Beyond waterfowl is this true and too which species? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.
For legacy lead, you are correct.  It is tracked in swans currently.

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That was one golden eagle. Which was probably singled out to fit one groups agenda.

 Literally one eagle, the other link does not mention Montana or Wyoming being the area of the study.

 Again, I’ll give you the opportunity to post up the study that proves all of this…waiting! :rolleyes:
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So, for the condors, if they have the same amount of deaths after the lead ban as before, and attribute it to birds migrating to Nevada and Arizona during hunting season; then California can reverse the ban and let folks choose what works best for them.

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That was one golden eagle. Which was probably singled out to fit one groups agenda.

 Literally one eagle, the other link does not mention Montana or Wyoming being the area of the study.

 Again, I’ll give you the opportunity to post up the study that proves all of this…waiting! :rolleyes:

Why? I already posted the study by the USGS that took samples from over 1200 eagles across the country. I actually posted it twice.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj3068

Here is a link to the published article in science.
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That was one golden eagle. Which was probably singled out to fit one groups agenda.

 Literally one eagle, the other link does not mention Montana or Wyoming being the area of the study.

 Again, I’ll give you the opportunity to post up the study that proves all of this…waiting! :rolleyes:

A study done on eagles in the Yellowstone ecosystem.

https://science.peregrinefund.org/legacy-sites/conference-lead/PDF/0209%20Bedrosian.pdf
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What if we back up and realize for generations we have been hunting with lead.  Then go way forward to the 70’s when steel  came out.  Then even farther with the feds mandating steel in 1987.  Since then we have outlawed lead from shot to fishing weights.  Now a sudden emergency, lead is killing everything.  I would like to point out the coincidence of anti hunting push with this new emergency.    None of this passes the common sense test.  This is all a bunch of BS to me. 
BTW just looked up our beloved eagle population has exploded since the 60”s.  They have even been removed from the endangered list.  The alarmist are wrong....

Another person who failed to read the study. It’s not an emergency. Literally their populations are still increasing. But it is killing eagles. So again if you fine with the fact that you may be poisoning eagles go right on ahead. But then don’t go telling the commission to follow the science or say that you for conservation practices.

Failed to read they study....Hmmm.  I actually went far beyond the article in my research and realized this is a big freakout with alarmist type groups pushing it.
I guess I'm ok with poisining eagles..... :dunno:  BTW....I think you should drive a EV, only when hunting though.

Feel free to share what parts of the study failed to prove to you that eagles are being poisoned by lead. Maybe you found a different study that proves something else? All I have seen to try and discredit these studies are wild speculations as to what could be other sources of lead contamination, without proof for a single one, and justifications for the poisoning (lots of eagles, who cares) and conspiracyy theories that this is driven to get people to stop hunting or shooting (even when it’s said shoot lead all you want for practice and copper bullets are  everywhere). Not one person has put up a scientific study proving anything other than that eagles are being poisoned by lead ammunition in gut piles. Again if you have real information that states otherwise please share, or share what you found in your extended research that you found concerning or un truthful about the studies posted.
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So, for the condors, if they have the same amount of deaths after the lead ban as before, and attribute it to birds migrating to Nevada and Arizona during hunting season; then California can reverse the ban and let folks choose what works best for them.

Arizona has a program to provide copper ammo to hunters that draw certain tags in areas with condors.
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Its all from the lead in the fish everyone knows that. There's too many eagles as it is, they are just scavengers. We don't need no copper bullets it just fouls up our guns.  :chuckle:
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This article provides some additional information on the issue of lead and California condors.

https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wsb.1448
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