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Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2023, 12:04:13 PM »
Wolves were already in Colorado on their own there too before they were trucked there.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/06/09/wild-wolf-pups-found-colorado/
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2023, 12:07:45 PM »
Interesting that the initiative to move the wolves to Colorado was approved by voters almost 3 years ago with a deadline of 12/31/23. Why’d they wait till the last minute?  Ballot box biology is a crappy process either way.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2023, 12:14:12 PM »
Here are their names,   They want to trcuk 5 more there by March.   Its interesting that a bunch came from the 5 points pack which happens to be the one where they had all the livestock depredation trouble with and that they nuked 4 from earlier this year, 3 females and a male.   Oregon said they'd do their best not to send any of the trouble wolves. :chuckle:

2302-OR, F, Yearling, 68 lbs, black, Five Points, Grand
2303-OR, M, Yearling, 76 lbs, gray, Five Points, Grand
2304-OR, F, Yearling, 76 lbs, gray, Noregaard, Grand
2305-OR, M, Yearling, 93 lbs, gray, Noregaard, Grand
2306-OR, F, Yearling, 66 lbs, gray, Noregaard, Summit or Grand
2307-OR, M, Adult, 108 lbs, black, Wenaha, Grand
2308-OR, F, Yearling, 74 lbs, gray, Noregaard, Summit or Grand
2309-OR, M, Adult, 104 lbs, gray, Wenaha, Summit or Grand
2310-OR, F, Yearling, 71 lbs, gray, Desolation, Summit or Grand
2312-OR, F, Yearling, 76 lbs, gray, No Pack, Summit or Grand


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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2023, 12:18:45 PM »
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them.  I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2023, 12:30:32 PM »
Its just not happening fast enough so they have decided to accelerate their agenda.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2023, 12:47:21 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2023, 12:59:51 PM »



Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington


For clarity's sake there have been no wolverine reintroductions in Washington and the lynx reintroductions being done by the Colville Tribes are on their 3rd year, which is hardly enough time to evaluate the success of that effort.

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2023, 01:19:10 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.



I keep going back to this point as well.     :yeah:

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2023, 01:21:04 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.

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 How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2023, 02:05:50 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.

 :chuckle:

 How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
I was going to say something along these lines but don't really want this going in that political direction.  However the government whether it's WDFW or otherwise are pretty dang good at hiding things from the public. 

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2023, 02:47:19 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.

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 How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:

That WAS detected!   
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2023, 02:56:23 PM »
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.

Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected?   I don't think they could pull that off.

 :chuckle:

 How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:

That WAS detected!
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Gotta be some wolf data.
Cougar data for sure. :chuckle:

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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2023, 03:43:20 PM »
Just watched this old video on wolves on YT.
It says they came here on there own.
Of coarse you can't always believe everything on the Internet.

Unless someone can post something that proves different.
The truth is just what ya believe.


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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2023, 04:53:16 PM »
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.


Why would 4 wolves travel 300+ miles north of where they were collared? Could it be they were looking for their home from where they were trapped and then relocated somewhere in Wa. State?  I think it is totally feasible.
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Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2023, 04:54:39 PM »
I would say with the proper funding I could easily transport wolves to new areas without being noticed.  You just need a veterinarian who is sympathetic to the cause to work with you and you have it made.

 


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