collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Is this a flat out lie?  (Read 6534 times)

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49787
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2023, 08:31:58 AM »
You take these observations that Idabooner posted on here back in 2007.....

Quote
Is there wolves in Washington??  There has been wolves here for a long time, maybe for ever.  My Dad told of 2 wolves harassing him as a kid trying to catch his horse in the pasture. He was able to keep them at bay by swinging his rope around his head, the whirling noise kept them back until he got back to the barn. That was in the methow about 1912.
 
Mother and Dad had their honey moon and first winter in a trappers cabin on what is now the Pasayten Wilderness boundary. Dad would be gone on the trap line for 6 days then come back to take care of the hides the 7th day of the week, providing the weather cooperated. For two days a wolf sit about 100 yards from the cabin watching Mother, Dad come the next day checking the tracks, sure enough it was a wolf. That was 1927.
 
I was about 14 when I was camping out in Gardner meadows (about 11 miles into the now Wilderness) just my dog and horse, no tent or even a fly, just an old army blanket.  I was camped by the edge of the timber, there was a full moon on the meadows but the timber was in the shade of the mountain and very dark.  I had gathered enough squaw wood to get me asleep, when all of a sudden my dog was very scared and getting as close to the fire as possible. Then I seen this wolf moving from one bush to another in the moonlight, it was slowly  circling about 50 yards away, it would go into the timber then after a while it would be back in the moon light  again. I was scared, when it was in the light I would try to find more wood in the dark, when it went into the dark I would stand as close to the fire as possible, I have no idea how close it got on the dark side. It was a very long night, my fire was very small by first light the last time I seen the wolf. That was 1949.
 
Close to  the same year me and another kid was helping 3 men pack salt (by pack horse) for the cattle, we were going around under Story peak when there was 3 wolves following us at about 150 yards, one of the guy's had a pistol but the wolves never got closer, they followed about an hour.
 
About 1953 while hunting deer in the methow I found a freshly killed wolf, he had been shot.
 
About 25 years ago I seen a wolf two different years near Reynolds peak, one year she had 2 young with her, I think it was the same wolf both years. Other people seen these to.
 
For a few years, 15-20 years ago while I was packing for an outfitter the USFS would have a couple people at the trail head at day light to inform the hunters how important it was to NOT shoot any coyotes, it was sickening how they got this message across without mentioning the word wolf. If my memory serves me right it was illegal to shoot coyotes during deer season in that period. I don't know but suspicion they had planted some wolves in the area and didn't want any body to mistake them for coyotes.
 
About 15 years ago I know of a wolf encounter that happened close to my home by a close acquaintance.




and Scott Fitkins Quote from back in 2008 when the wolves made their mysterious "comeback"

Quote
"As long as they have an adequate prey base, which are deer, and don't get killed," recovery should take care of itself, he said.

kind of an odd thing to put out there.....but anyhow, what happened in 2008 that made the wolves all of a sudden explode.   



What was the spark that made it happen or the magic wand.   

Offline Twispriver

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 2712
  • Location: Granite Falls and Twisp
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2023, 11:34:48 AM »
I think 2008 was just the point in time where the cat was out of the bag and it was impossible to keep it a secret any longer. When the Alta went from either sex archery, either sex muzzleloader and general rifle season to suddenly closed for hunting most of us that spent lots of time there knew something was up. From my personal observations while working my property and building my cabin I believe the wolves became resident in the late nineties and began dispersing throughout the Methow well before they were ever publicly declared to be "back". I don't believe they showed up suddenly in boxes in the back of green trucks.

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49787
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2023, 12:18:34 PM »
That is a good observation.   I think it was 87 when I smucked that one with a rock, and it was 89/90 ish that we were told about the pack in LIbby and not to tell anyone.   I'll guess 85 on the one up Reynolds that Idabooner was talking about.   That was a pair with at least 2 pups.   At that time it was cool to have seen them.   Not so much anymore.   

I'm not sure when they bought the Golden Doe.   That instantly became wolf central and I believe approxiamately where they were reported being seen dropping them off

Offline nwwanderer

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 4273
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2023, 03:16:59 PM »
Water way past the bridge as stated, beyond any metric of recovery.  Give them the same status, assuming we keep it, as a coyote and quit spending money on them.

Offline KFhunter

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 34512
  • Location: NE Corner
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2023, 06:45:10 PM »
At this point, what difference does it make?

Offline buckfvr

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+7)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2010
  • Posts: 4515
  • Location: UNGULATE FREE ZONE UNIT 121
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2023, 07:50:26 PM »
Ya its not like its the first and onlyest.  Its their MO, never give up the lie.

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49787
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2023, 07:46:21 AM »
 :yeah:   The only relevance now will be grizz bears.   I imagine that would be a little harder for them. 

Old timers die and their stories die or fade with them.  Water under the bridge.  It kinda reminds of other things that probably got pulled over on us, that is all labeled conspiracy theory.  Things like Kennedy, election fraud, COvid.  :chuckle:   

Offline BIGINNER

  • YAR TOWN CRIER *************
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 3833
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2023, 09:19:52 AM »
A very good family friend of ours told us stories of how he was part of a group (not sure what group or organization) that released wolves in the cascade mountains around 1995. Unfortunatley he passed away about 15 years ago. He said he was their and was physicly handling the crates and was there through the release as well. I dont recall exactly how much he said they released but i vaigly remember that it was 4 or 5 wolves. 3 were black. I was a kid when he told us the stories so obviously i didnt think much of it other than that it was super cool. He was an avid hunter as well. It seamed like the wold topic was abit more acceptable with some hunters back then.
THIS MESSAGE WAS SENT USING MY TIME MACHINE.... SO THIS IS MY OPINION TOMORROW...

OH BY THE WAY. I FIGURED OUT HOW TO TURN ON CAP LOCKS ON MY PHONE... :IBCOOL:  :yike: :yike:

Offline LDennis24

  • Bear poker
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 4300
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2023, 10:27:31 AM »
:yeah:   The only relevance now will be grizz bears.   I imagine that would be a little harder for them. 

Old timers die and their stories die or fade with them.  Water under the bridge.  It kinda reminds of other things that probably got pulled over on us, that is all labeled conspiracy theory.  Things like Kennedy, election fraud, COvid.  :chuckle:

Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?

Offline Ridgeratt

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 5558
  • IBEW 73 (Retired) Burden on the working class.
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2023, 10:29:43 AM »
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?


My best guess is Witness Protection program.   :dunno:

Offline walt

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 670
  • Location: spokane
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2023, 10:37:18 AM »
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?

Northern PO county, up behind Sullivan Lake is what I heard

Offline hunter399

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Feb 2014
  • Posts: 7805
  • Location: In Your Hunting Spot
  • Groups: NRA RMEF
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2023, 11:56:03 AM »
A very good family friend of ours told us stories of how he was part of a group (not sure what group or organization) that released wolves in the cascade mountains around 1995. Unfortunatley he passed away about 15 years ago. He said he was their and was physicly handling the crates and was there through the release as well. I dont recall exactly how much he said they released but i vaigly remember that it was 4 or 5 wolves. 3 were black. I was a kid when he told us the stories so obviously i didnt think much of it other than that it was super cool. He was an avid hunter as well. It seamed like the wold topic was abit more acceptable with some hunters back then.

One story I can tell.
One day I was hunting a pretty remote mountain.
Early 90's. I was pretty young. Walk all day kinda guy.
Go all day ,without food or water.Walk till your feet are blisters.
Climbed this mountain, probably 3/4 way to the top.
Then I circled the mountain at about the same elevation,came up over the top and back around to ground zero where I started.
This took me all day till the afternoon. I was taking a break.
So this very old man,using his lever action for a walking stick.
He had walked the same face I had climbed at first light. He sits down out of breath. Next to a huge bull pine pulls out a sandwich and a soda pop. I walk down there sit with him for a few minutes.
I remember it like this ,cause it was late afternoon. I was starving and thirsty at this point. But I never ask for food or drink,of course he doesn't offer.
He did proceed to tell me about these "wild dogs" in the area.
Shoot them on site,don't hesitate he says,just kill them.
Don't drag them out,kill em and leave em he said.
I try to talk at him about deer hunting and other game animals in the area. He just keeps going off about these wild dogs.
Never said wolf,never said coyote, just wild dogs that had been released in the area. So I'm thinking crazy old man.
I was so hungry and thirsty at this point. I was like I'll head down.
I remember thinking to my self,as I left the old timer ,him sitting there under that tree with his lever action. Hope he makes down ok.
Other thought was he probably didn't have to many more trips up the mountain left in him. Since he was using his rifle as a walking stick.
No other hunters,nobody up there that day except him and I.
Which was pretty normal for that area.
Fast forward a few days later....
I was on a different mountain,but only a few miles from the old man encounter. I see a very large dog going down a ridge. Maybe 3 or 400 yards away . Flat cooking hauling balls.
So I remember what the old man had said. Pulled up my rifle was gonna just take a pop shot at it. I watched it in the scope go into a patch of trees,then see it go over the ridge. And never got a shot off.
I thought ,I guess that old man wasn't crazy.
These areas don't have any houses, definitely not a house dog,or coyote. But I can't say for sure it was a wolf.
Everything happened so quick.

Just a story,this looked like a good place to share.

TRUE GRIT
You can't fake it,you can't make it, you can pretend you have it.
TRUE GRIT
Is something God gives you when you need it.

Offline highcountry_hunter

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Aug 2010
  • Posts: 681
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2023, 07:24:43 PM »
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?

Northern PO county, up behind Sullivan Lake is what I heard
Affirm. Released into their Salmo recovery zone


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Offline KFhunter

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2011
  • Posts: 34512
  • Location: NE Corner
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2023, 07:44:00 PM »

Offline HighlandLofts

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+19)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 1046
  • Location: North Snohomish County
  • Groups: WAC,
Re: Is this a flat out lie?
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2024, 03:29:34 PM »
So these wolves and putting collars on their own neck.
WAC
NRA
Walk Light, Carry A Big Stick, Never Walk Away. - Teddy Roosevelt
Don't Take Your Guns To Town.   Johnny Cash

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Manson Sheep by greenhead_killer
[Today at 08:01:10 PM]


Can someone tell me where this "Desert" unit 290 is? by teanawayslayer
[Today at 07:57:30 PM]


Blackhorn 209? by Tenkara
[Today at 07:56:04 PM]


Huckleberry early bull moose by bigbull gag
[Today at 06:05:43 PM]


Chiwawa Quality rifle tag by bvail04
[Today at 05:50:56 PM]


Chiwawa Deer! by bvail04
[Today at 05:18:59 PM]


Area 11 Opener Next Week? by trophyhunt
[Today at 04:42:12 PM]


COUGAR COMMENT TIME by hunter399
[Today at 04:22:03 PM]


WCO and boat insurance by ASHQUACK
[Today at 03:58:17 PM]


Washington State Rocky Mountain Bighorn Raffle by elkrack
[Today at 03:46:43 PM]


Norway Pass, Muzzleloader by hunterednate
[Today at 01:45:34 PM]


Steptoe Butte fly by by jjhunter
[Today at 10:04:59 AM]


Travel Trailer Damage? by Threewolves
[Today at 07:47:31 AM]


Idaho bear season by DWAT
[Today at 06:59:22 AM]


Biscuits and Gravy? I'm your huckleberry.... :-) by ducks4days
[Today at 06:56:42 AM]


Bearpaw Season - Spring 2024 by Boss .300 winmag
[Today at 06:50:39 AM]


FS: 14 x 16 Davis Wall tent by rgates3
[Today at 05:18:10 AM]


2nd bear tag by E_daniels97
[Yesterday at 11:37:51 PM]


Beaver trapping opportunity near Randle by redi
[Yesterday at 11:32:20 PM]


Form 4 - Two Day Approval by 6haase6
[Yesterday at 10:28:58 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal