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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2024, 10:03:05 AM »
Idaho harvest is double Washington every year.
I looked before this thread was started.
But since they use dogs ,they can target males,they can control harvest of females better.
Just like any species,it's all about female,when it comes to sustainable.

With that said,I consider Eastern Washington similar to Idaho in habitat and what not .
Definitely enough cats,our harvest isn't even close to Idaho.

Like said in a few post , predator including coyotes can take decent harvest from year to year.
Rebound very quick as long as prey or food is on the table.

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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2024, 01:18:26 AM »
ID has a great long term study on integrated predator pre relationships. I've posted it before. Very applicable to eastern wa. I've been told that other states studies cannot be used in court in this state.
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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2024, 09:15:20 AM »
ID has a great long term study on integrated predator pre relationships. I've posted it before. Very applicable to eastern wa. I've been told that other states studies cannot be used in court in this state.

I like the idea of other state studies being left out. I would be in favor of only WA residents being able to comment at Commission meeting too.

In fact I donít think as far as game management is concerned only WA residents wishes should be considered.
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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2024, 11:48:34 AM »
ID has a great long term study on integrated predator pre relationships. I've posted it before. Very applicable to eastern wa. I've been told that other states studies cannot be used in court in this state.

I like the idea of other state studies being left out. I would be in favor of only WA residents being able to comment at Commission meeting too.

In fact I donít think as far as game management is concerned only WA residents wishes should be considered.

The comission seems to make decisions using information/studies from other states. At least large parts of ID studies sample the same ecosystem divided by an arbitrary line.  :twocents:
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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2024, 02:22:07 PM »
ID has a great long term study on integrated predator pre relationships. I've posted it before. Very applicable to eastern wa. I've been told that other states studies cannot be used in court in this state.



Idaho also did a study a few years ago in the couer d alene river drainage on elk mortality. Greatest number of elk kills were lions and many think the wolves are constantly running cats off their kills. leading to lions having to kill more often. That would be an excellent study to compare with eastern Washington. Not a huge difference outside of an imaginary line. Its really easy to google the study. The season(with dogs) and bag limit on lions has been extended till the end of june with 2 otc tags. The fact we still have a healthy population of cats would be a good argument against Washingtons ridiculously limited season.

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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2024, 08:53:44 AM »
ID has a great long term study on integrated predator pre relationships. I've posted it before. Very applicable to eastern wa. I've been told that other states studies cannot be used in court in this state.



Idaho also did a study a few years ago in the couer d alene river drainage on elk mortality. Greatest number of elk kills were lions and many think the wolves are constantly running cats off their kills. leading to lions having to kill more often. That would be an excellent study to compare with eastern Washington. Not a huge difference outside of an imaginary line. Its really easy to google the study. The season(with dogs) and bag limit on lions has been extended till the end of june with 2 otc tags. The fact we still have a healthy population of cats would be a good argument against Washingtons ridiculously limited season.

 :yeah:  Lion season is open August 30-June 1, hunters may buy two tags over the counter. Only closed July 1-Aug 29 and hounds restricted Oct 10-29 during rifle elk season.

Bear is open two months in Spring and in the Fall, hunters may buy two tags over the counter, bait and hounds legal, hounds restricted during rifle elk season.
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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2024, 01:10:03 PM »
Wsucoug,

This is a tremendous thread, and I'm very glad you've made it. You are right. Statements not backed by studies are simply that; they lack substance and are as bad as the commission's statements.

I just got accepted to the Environmental Science and Terrestrial Resource Management major in SEFS at UW and I am passionate about studying these topics. I will return to this thread as I come across resources and literature.

Thank you for taking the initiative here. I'll support how I can when my studies allow.
A Meta study of existing studies data, herd data and harvest data, with a statistical model built on the data would be very interesting. Model could capture herd composition of young, adult females and males and predict how much of the variation is captured with data for harvest, predation, and environment. Could then be modified for differences state to state.

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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2024, 07:07:10 PM »
Go to you tube search predator prey WDFW there's a video on there study. There's mention of why they won't use other states studies here in Wa.
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Re: Cougar/Bear Studies from Other Game Departments
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2024, 07:18:08 PM »
Go to you tube search predator prey WDFW there's a video on there study. There's mention of why they won't use other states studies here in Wa.
Posted recently on an ongoing mtn lion study being conducted in Utah (lion journey) Very involved study and they are quite forthcoming with their on going results.  Pretty sure what they are finding would be useful in this state if they would use it.
 

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