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Offline vandeman17

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2024, 02:40:58 PM »
Since I have 18+ points in most categories, I like that they square points.
However, if I ever draw and have to start back at 0 the following year, I doubt I'll buy applications for that type of hunt again.
Even after 5 years of applying, you'd only have your name in the hat 25 times and would be up against hundreds of other hunters with 20+ points equalling 400+ entries each in the draw.
No thanks!

Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

 :yeah: Who cares about points, its all random. Just apply for the hunt you want, no matter the draw odds and treat it as nothing more than a lottery.
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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2024, 03:14:45 PM »
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Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

That's not correct. More points does equal "more names in the hat."

I still agree that point systems are stupid and simply a way for the state to make more money.

But the fact is more points does give you better odds of drawing.

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2024, 05:38:12 PM »
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Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

That's not correct. More points does equal "more names in the hat."

I still agree that point systems are stupid and simply a way for the state to make more money.

But the fact is more points does give you better odds of drawing.

You have better odds of drawing a low number, yes but you only have one number in the hat.

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2024, 05:58:59 PM »
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Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

That's not correct. More points does equal "more names in the hat."

I still agree that point systems are stupid and simply a way for the state to make more money.

But the fact is more points does give you better odds of drawing.

You have better odds of drawing a low number, yes but you only have one number in the hat.

The low number is the only one that matters. If you got 100 numbers you have 100 times the chance of drawing as someone with only 1 number.

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2024, 06:03:46 PM »
And an infinite number of chances to draw a higher number.  Better odds to win or lose.
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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2024, 06:11:10 PM »
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Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

That's not correct. More points does equal "more names in the hat."

I still agree that point systems are stupid and simply a way for the state to make more money.

But the fact is more points does give you better odds of drawing.

You have better odds of drawing a low number, yes but you only have one number in the hat.

The low number is the only one that matters. If you got 100 numbers you have 100 times the chance of drawing as someone with only 1 number.

The other 99 are not in the draw just your lowest number of the 100.

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2024, 06:15:23 PM »
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Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

That's not correct. More points does equal "more names in the hat."

I still agree that point systems are stupid and simply a way for the state to make more money.

But the fact is more points does give you better odds of drawing.

You have better odds of drawing a low number, yes but you only have one number in the hat.

Having better odds of drawing a low number is all that matters. Once everyone gets their number the draw is over. Nothing goes into a "hat" to be drawn again.

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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2024, 09:35:16 AM »
so I have a .045% chance with 20 points instead of a .023% chance with 5 points. Are my odds "better", sure they are but do I feel like I "should" draw because I have a ton of points, nope. I would wager a guess that for every couple 20+ point holders who draw a tag, there are 1-2 that draw with 5 or less points. In my mind, that makes it random when thinking logically.  :twocents:
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Re: Cubing points
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2024, 09:43:45 AM »
The problem is we were told when the system started was that by squaring our points the odds of drawing would increase, in our minds that increase is much more than what it really is.  It does increase very slightly the odds of pulling a low number which is what counts in this state.  At the time the point system was put into place, very few people compared to now were putting in for these tags.  Once people thought they were going to lose out on something(gaining points) sales took off, not to mention the internet showcasing all these great animals taken on these tags. 

What I'd like to see in WA is for OIL and Quality tags go to a modified draw where 75% of the tags for a given hunt go to those who have higher points, i.e. 15 or greater, and 25% of the tags be earmarked for those that have less than 15 points or random.  Those who have been applying for a long time should have hopefully slightly higher odds and those who are lower in the point range will still have a chance.

 


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