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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2024, 04:42:10 PM »
Just an opinion; if it's really all about safety and hunters have to wear hunter orange or pink then why wouldn't anyone out n about in the hills during an open season where firearms are being used be required to wear orange or pink? Hikers in Washington have to have a discover pass to park at most trailheads. There's plenty of opportunities to get the info to them. They could be instructed that on or after such and such a day, you must wear x amount of square inches of these colors. Mailers could be sent, the evening news could cover it, signs could be hung at all trailheads and REI stores. If you don't wear it, you'll be ticketed. Period, Simple! Otherwise, doesn't it seem as though the state is indicating that hunters lives are more important than hikers, mushroomers or berry pickers. Making the argument that it would be difficult to require others to wear bright colors during a certain time period, doesn't say much for the others or the state. Probably wouldn't take many tickets before all the hiking clubs and groups would get the message. If they get all worked up, so be it. Hunters pay a hundred bucks or more for license and tags. Hikers pay 30 or 40 for their discover pass. If it's too much to ask of people to take some precautions that the state says makes everyone safer, then how about anyone not hunting stay out of the hills?

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2024, 05:03:52 PM »
Just an opinion; if it's really all about safety and hunters have to wear hunter orange or pink then why wouldn't anyone out n about in the hills during an open season where firearms are being used be required to wear orange or pink? Hikers in Washington have to have a discover pass to park at most trailheads. There's plenty of opportunities to get the info to them. They could be instructed that on or after such and such a day, you must wear x amount of square inches of these colors. Mailers could be sent, the evening news could cover it, signs could be hung at all trailheads and REI stores. If you don't wear it, you'll be ticketed. Period, Simple! Otherwise, doesn't it seem as though the state is indicating that hunters lives are more important than hikers, mushroomers or berry pickers. Making the argument that it would be difficult to require others to wear bright colors during a certain time period, doesn't say much for the others or the state. Probably wouldn't take many tickets before all the hiking clubs and groups would get the message. If they get all worked up, so be it. Hunters pay a hundred bucks or more for license and tags. Hikers pay 30 or 40 for their discover pass. If it's too much to ask of people to take some precautions that the state says makes everyone safer, then how about anyone not hunting stay out of the hills?

Require that and there wonít be any hunting. If you think you can inconvenience 90% of the folks recreating and still have a hunting season you havenít been in this state very long.

I donít care for the rule, but thatís the law now , and I would bet there is no going back ever.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2024, 05:24:20 PM »
I'm sorry, I obviously need to work on my sarcasm. I thought hunters lives being more important than hikers lives would have gave it away. I know that whatever the law is, the states not changing it. I do find it odd that hunters have to wear the bright colors and we're the ones with the guns.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2024, 05:39:49 PM »
That's how you know it's not about safety.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2024, 05:45:27 PM »
I'm sorry, I obviously need to work on my sarcasm. I thought hunters lives being more important than hikers lives would have gave it away. I know that whatever the law is, the states not changing it. I do find it odd that hunters have to wear the bright colors and we're the ones with the guns.

As I said before I donít like it.

But if you look at hunting accidents, you are most likely to shoot yourself or someone in your hunting party or of coarse be shot by someone in your party.
Shootings involving unknown parties while hunting are a low percentage.
In the end we are the ones with the guns.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2024, 06:59:54 PM »
I'm sorry, I obviously need to work on my sarcasm. I thought hunters lives being more important than hikers lives would have gave it away. I know that whatever the law is, the states not changing it. I do find it odd that hunters have to wear the bright colors and we're the ones with the guns.

As I said before I donít like it.

But if you look at hunting accidents, you are most likely to shoot yourself or someone in your hunting party or of coarse be shot by someone in your party.
Shootings involving unknown parties while hunting are a low percentage.
In the end we are the ones with the guns.

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Shootings that are going to be prevented during bear season by wearing hunter orange are zero. I'd actually say it does give people a false sense of security and could result in more accidents.
For example everyone in your group is wearing hunter orange, and no one saw the hiker come in to pick berries in a black rain coat
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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2024, 07:20:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure I remember a berry picker in Montana a few years back wearing a black jacket was shot by a couple bear hunters. If he'd been wearing a bright pink coat, maybe he's still pickin berries.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2024, 07:26:49 PM »
I'm sorry, I obviously need to work on my sarcasm. I thought hunters lives being more important than hikers lives would have gave it away. I know that whatever the law is, the states not changing it. I do find it odd that hunters have to wear the bright colors and we're the ones with the guns.

As I said before I donít like it.

But if you look at hunting accidents, you are most likely to shoot yourself or someone in your hunting party or of coarse be shot by someone in your party.
Shootings involving unknown parties while hunting are a low percentage.
In the end we are the ones with the guns.

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Shootings that are going to be prevented during bear season by wearing hunter orange are zero. I'd actually say it does give people a false sense of security and could result in more accidents.
For example everyone in your group is wearing hunter orange, and no one saw the hiker come in to pick berries in a black rain coat

The data doesnít support that conclusion. Someone can always get shot, if you do not identify your target.  Itís easy to say it wonít make a difference but in reality there is decades of accidents history which indicate bright colors are useful in preventing accidents.
 
Hunters are most likely the shooter and the victim. Not some random person.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2024, 07:29:13 PM »
Just an opinion; if it's really all about safety and hunters have to wear hunter orange or pink then why wouldn't anyone out n about in the hills during an open season where firearms are being used be required to wear orange or pink?
The main reason there isn't such a regulation (hikers being required to wear orange) is that WDFW lacks the jurisdiction over hikers, the only exception would be WDFW could say anyone hiking on WDFW lands is required to wear orange. The DNR would have to adopt a similar reg for their lands, Forest Service for their lands, etc. The only way around this would be for the state legislature to actually adopt a law requiring the wearing of orange during hunting seasons, and that just isn't going to happen.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2024, 07:31:57 PM »
I'm pretty sure I remember a berry picker in Montana a few years back wearing a black jacket was shot by a couple bear hunters. If he'd been wearing a bright pink coat, maybe he's still pickin berries.

Yes and a cone picker here, and letís not forget Pamela A. shot on Sauk Mountain by a teenage Bear hunter who mistakenly thought she was a bear. She was wearing a blue and black jacket.

People get shot by hunters but far  more hunters are shot by hunters.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2008/aug/05/14-year-old-bear-hunter-shoots-kills-hiker/
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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2024, 07:33:14 PM »
Just an opinion; if it's really all about safety and hunters have to wear hunter orange or pink then why wouldn't anyone out n about in the hills during an open season where firearms are being used be required to wear orange or pink?
The main reason there isn't such a regulation (hikers being required to wear orange) is that WDFW lacks the jurisdiction over hikers, the only exception would be WDFW could say anyone hiking on WDFW lands is required to wear orange. The DNR would have to adopt a similar reg for their lands, Forest Service for their lands, etc. The only way around this would be for the state legislature to actually adopt a law requiring the wearing of orange during hunting seasons, and that just isn't going to happen.

And any rule would be ruled unconstitutional.
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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2024, 07:51:15 PM »
Just an opinion; if it's really all about safety and hunters have to wear hunter orange or pink then why wouldn't anyone out n about in the hills during an open season where firearms are being used be required to wear orange or pink?
The main reason there isn't such a regulation (hikers being required to wear orange) is that WDFW lacks the jurisdiction over hikers, the only exception would be WDFW could say anyone hiking on WDFW lands is required to wear orange. The DNR would have to adopt a similar reg for their lands, Forest Service for their lands, etc. The only way around this would be for the state legislature to actually adopt a law requiring the wearing of orange during hunting seasons, and that just isn't going to happen.
And any rule would be ruled unconstitutional.
And where in the constitution would the rule run afoul?

There are more than a dozen states that require those non-hunting companions of hunters to wear hunter orange. There are some states that require anyone using state wildlife area lands to wear hunter orange during hunting seasons. Just last month the Utah legislature passed a law granting authority to the Utah game department to enact rules to require the wearing of hunter orange by non-hunters such as hikers on state wildlife areas.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2024, 08:20:26 PM »
Hey guys, the gov knows best, just fall in line and do what they say. Geez, Iím surprised you all have lived so long without their rules.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2024, 08:36:00 PM »
Oh please! Unconstitutional? Really? Where in the constitution does it say anything about only wearing subdued colors? Your honor, my rights have been violated because I had to wear orange after Labor day. If it's really unconstitutional to require 400 sq. inches of bright colored clothing during hunting season, why hasn't someone challenged it? If the washington state fish and game actually cared and believed that wearing bright colors saved lives, they'd convince any state agency to require bright colored clothing after a certain date. For that matter, if it was really all that important, the governor could mandate all agencies that control land use, to make it mandatory that all state employees, all visitors, all hunters will wear bright colors when in the field.

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Re: Hunter orange for rifle bear hunting
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2024, 08:37:57 PM »
Looking up the WAC on the state webpage it still clearly states (exception 2) except bear or cougar. Until it changes there, Iím not going to follow a rule out of a pamphlet that is not completely stated.
Alright someone has to help me out here because I clearly donít understand. My comment was skipped right over. It clearly states under WAC 220-414-080 that this rule excludes bear and cougar hunters. Now just because the game department decided to put part of the code but not all of the code on the bear page of the pamphlet doesnít mean that only what they state is correct. Was this a new adopted change that hasnít been updated in the current WAC? I completely agree that seasons, limits and so on are justified by the big game regulations. However, a statement with a WAC number quoted means they are saying based on that code you are required to do so. Not what only the pamphlet states. Please get me inform me what I am missing.

 


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