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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2024, 02:33:05 PM »
At what point, though, does wdfw have influence over the bears and give them special status.  Start moving the goal posts such that the lethal removal is nearly impossible.

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IF the bears do take hold the shutting down of areas to access will start. In Canada they started with the snowmobiles in certain areas. How well will people take it when North cascades, Mt Baker, and other areas get shut down to snowmobile access because there "might" be a pregnant bear in the area.
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2024, 02:37:43 PM »
And again, How are the feds going to justify taking Grizzly’s from an endangered population ie: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming where no take is allowed, and moving them to an area where the population is deemed non-essential/ experimental? Perhaps B.C. or Alberta?
Regardless moving Grizzly’s around is years out yet.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2024, 06:43:30 PM »
Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!
Do you know roughly when that would have been? 1940s?

I believe is was pre-40's, back in those days, all the "old-timers" I had discussions with claimed there was very little wildlife to chase in the valley.  It wasn't until the county took over management did most hunt-able wildlife start to become abundant. 

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If you get a chance read the book, "From Copenhagen to Okanogan". Lot of history about the early years of the Okanogan etc.. Good Book

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2024, 08:32:20 PM »
Hey bigmacc,  you know the junction of Hwy 20 and Mazama?   The big white house and who used to live there?

The man had dairy and beef cattle while he lived there, killed a grizzly from the front porch.  Seen the pictures after I got to know him.

No worry's, Chelan County is going to get the first shipment!
Do you know roughly when that would have been? 1940s?

I believe is was pre-40's, back in those days, all the "old-timers" I had discussions with claimed there was very little wildlife to chase in the valley.  It wasn't until the county took over management did most hunt-able wildlife start to become abundant. 

 :tup: :tup: Bigmacc!


If you get a chance read the book, "From Copenhagen to Okanogan". Lot of history about the early years of the Okanogan etc.. Good Book
That's been on my list for a while. I'll try to track down a copy. Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2024, 08:48:54 PM »
They have been here! For a long time, off and on for 100,s of years. They’ve been seen and reported by credible sources over decades and decades. Why haven’t they took root? Why arnt they already here AND loving it? Why when they’ve been seen off and on for 20,  30,  40 plus years are they not adapting and staying?

This state with a growing population and a growing population of folks who love to recreate are not conducive for a thriving population of Grizzly Bear!

Wolves were one thing, now Grizz, writing is on the wall. Ask why?

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2024, 05:08:24 AM »
Why
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2024, 06:52:06 AM »
Marginal habitat at best.  Lewis and Clark ate dogs and horses on the way through and left the coast early after eating most of the local elk.  No mention of bears after leaving Rockies east slope.  We have a few, bringing more, like the wolves, simply upsets what little we have.  It is an expensive plan with little chance of benefit and a bunch of turmoil.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2024, 08:29:39 AM »
The goats they moved there a couple of years ago died so my guess is that success will be unlikely for the bears as well. However I don’t see the bears dying but instead they will likely move to a place with what they need for survival. These bears will not be contained to where they get dropped off. 

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Re: Here come the bears
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2024, 05:15:41 AM »
And again, How are the feds going to justify taking Grizzly’s from an endangered population ie: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming where no take is allowed, and moving them to an area where the population is deemed non-essential/ experimental? Perhaps B.C. or Alberta?
Regardless moving Grizzly’s around is years out yet.

The USFWS has their release and discover down pat they have been doing it since the sixties. I know of two credible grizzly releases of multiple bears in the Methow since the 80's. Both times the big bears returned to British Columbia. They can say they might bring them in from Wyoming, my guess is that's cover talk for BC. Like wolves getting the bears to stay is another thing, I'm wondering if they will drop them into cattle country like they did the wolves.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/05/05/wyoming-grizzlies-could-someday-be-dropped-by-chopper-into-washington-state/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&_kx=03QhdhzlvjEwc5SAgf0fx06umFkyTHl9Uc97HTi5MXeNGGMZDqRLeqPZMZUnznjw.UXPtrV

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2024, 05:18:42 AM »
Why
END HUNTING.

And shutting down public lands, just like WDFW did with their land last winter under the BS story of protecting deer which they don't give  :twocents: about, but people fell for it anyway.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2024, 08:44:38 AM »
Why
END HUNTING.

End hunting, end another accepted "reason" for citizens to be armed. The end goal is to end civilian ownership of firearms little by little. Reduce access, reduce participation, reduce recruitment, reduce sales, reduce demand for FFL's, increase barriers to entry, reduce access, wash, rinse, repeat.
What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2024, 10:06:16 AM »
Stick with this one...

I don't live near the release sites either, if I did, I would probably have a different opinion on the grizzlies.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2024, 07:21:46 PM »
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