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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2024, 07:56:43 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2024, 08:04:01 AM »
I’d argue against  that lease idea as well. I will fight tooth and nail that cattle grazing leases are far more beneficial for cattle farmers and detrimental to public land in a lot of places. If that’s your theory, then I can go pay cents on the acre for grazing right, turn out no cattle, and treat it as my private hunting land. That’s just plain silly.

Now if you’re talking someone that has a 100 year forest service cabin lease, sure, their yard is their yard and no one else’s.

I wasn't serious about the theoretical lease of hunting rights. But if you have a grazing lease that gives you exclusive rights for grazing. So that shows that peoples arguments against exclusive use of public land for something is meaningless. You can buy exclusive rights through leases etc.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2024, 08:07:08 AM »
Or maybe don't buy prime hunting property adjacent to any sort of public ground if you don't want to deal with the issues caused  :dunno:

Fixed it for you. :tup: as a guy who owns a ton of private property but hunts public property this is the best advice I can give everyone. Don’t buy private property in prime hunting areas.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2024, 08:08:09 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?

It's not my feelings, it's a judge's ruling.

You'll have to fill me in on the back country trash debate, doesn't sound familiar to me  :dunno:  I'll wait

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2024, 08:09:51 AM »
I’d argue against  that lease idea as well. I will fight tooth and nail that cattle grazing leases are far more beneficial for cattle farmers and detrimental to public land in a lot of places. If that’s your theory, then I can go pay cents on the acre for grazing right, turn out no cattle, and treat it as my private hunting land. That’s just plain silly.

Now if you’re talking someone that has a 100 year forest service cabin lease, sure, their yard is their yard and no one else’s.

I wasn't serious about the theoretical lease of hunting rights. But if you have a grazing lease that gives you exclusive rights for grazing. So that shows that peoples arguments against exclusive use of public land for something is meaningless. You can buy exclusive rights through leases etc.

But it only gives you exclusive use for a period of time and most grazing leases don’t exclude the ability of the public to access the land. It just means I can’t graze cattle on it either. This is again a separate issue from corner crossing.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2024, 08:15:20 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?
Corner crossing is the act of stepping from public land to public land at a 4 way corner on a checkerboard pattern of land. The key is that at no point do you make physical contact with the private land. It’s not a feeling it’s a decision made by a federal judge and also a jury of 12. Stating that stepping from public land to public land is the same as driving across someone’s property is ridiculous. I understand your concerns with it and they may be valid. But the same thing could be said about any activity. Will there be some people who abuse or try to use it as an excuse. Of course. Does that mean we take the right to legally access public land away from everyone? Do you think that because some people use guns for murder or crime that no one should have the right to own a gun? That’s the logic you are using here.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2024, 08:17:02 AM »
Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things.
If you want to invoke discussion about 'an honest man's way of doing things' - lets start with how honest it is for the landowner in this case to block access to thousands of acres, threaten and intimidate public hunters, and coerce a sham prosecution attempt. 

Also - you note 'one judge in Wyoming' made this ruling.  The quote below from the senior judge in the 10th circuit who heard the appeal should send shivers down your spine  :chuckle:

“If you would ask Congress,” Ebel said, “Do you really intend to give [the public] an illusory right … because the railroads could block out almost all the access … I have no doubt how they would have answered that question.”
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2024, 08:24:06 AM »
Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things.
If you want to invoke discussion about 'an honest man's way of doing things' - lets start with how honest it is for the landowner in this case to block access to thousands of acres, threaten and intimidate public hunters, and coerce a sham prosecution attempt. 

Also - you note 'one judge in Wyoming' made this ruling.  The quote below from the senior judge in the 10th circuit who heard the appeal should send shivers down your spine  :chuckle:

“If you would ask Congress,” Ebel said, “Do you really intend to give [the public] an illusory right … because the railroads could block out almost all the access … I have no doubt how they would have answered that question.”

Actually if you know your history and knew how powerful the railroad was in that time, they most likely ran the government and had everyone in their pockets. Look up J.P. Morgan, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller... they had the deepest pockets so they could very well of had the intentions of taking all that land for the railroad. Once again, your talking about one guys opinion. Just cuz he's a senior judge doesn't make him right!  :dunno:

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2024, 08:35:14 AM »
Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things.
If you want to invoke discussion about 'an honest man's way of doing things' - lets start with how honest it is for the landowner in this case to block access to thousands of acres, threaten and intimidate public hunters, and coerce a sham prosecution attempt. 

Also - you note 'one judge in Wyoming' made this ruling.  The quote below from the senior judge in the 10th circuit who heard the appeal should send shivers down your spine  :chuckle:

“If you would ask Congress,” Ebel said, “Do you really intend to give [the public] an illusory right … because the railroads could block out almost all the access … I have no doubt how they would have answered that question.”

Actually if you know your history and knew how powerful the railroad was in that time, they most likely ran the government and had everyone in their pockets. Look up J.P. Morgan, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller... they had the deepest pockets so they could very well of had the intentions of taking all that land for the railroad. Once again, your talking about one guys opinion. Just cuz he's a senior judge doesn't make him right!  :dunno:

So you don’t agree with the rulings of judges on the 2nd amendment? The same principle applies here. Remember corner crossing is the act of stepping from public to public. Anything else is still trespassing. All that was ruled was that if you do not step on or go across private land while going across a corner from public to public it’s not trespassing. That’s not a “feeling” it’s a ruling by a judge and a jury.
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2024, 08:37:36 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?
Corner crossing is the act of stepping from public land to public land at a 4 way corner on a checkerboard pattern of land. The key is that at no point do you make physical contact with the private land. It’s not a feeling it’s a decision made by a federal judge and also a jury of 12. Stating that stepping from public land to public land is the same as driving across someone’s property is ridiculous. I understand your concerns with it and they may be valid. But the same thing could be said about any activity. Will there be some people who abuse or try to use it as an excuse. Of course. Does that mean we take the right to legally access public land away from everyone? Do you think that because some people use guns for murder or crime that no one should have the right to own a gun? That’s the logic you are using here.

Well down on East Sprague by Sonnebergs Deli and the Hells Angel's clubhouse, corner crossing is when a new girl moves onto your block and you have to tell her to beat it or get stabbed. You need to make some money...  :dunno:

I may have spent some time down on East Sprague hauling ammo cans and got the Intel from the local pimp. So they see it differently too.  :chuckle:

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2024, 08:39:26 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?

It's not my feelings, it's a judge's ruling.

You'll have to fill me in on the back country trash debate, doesn't sound familiar to me  :dunno:  I'll wait

Still waiting...

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2024, 08:43:16 AM »
I hunt a piece of property that has a short cut by the corner where people constantly, and I mean every single time, cut through private property to get there quicker and then say "oh well, I didnt hurt anything, no damage done" and take off cuz the LEO won't come out. So it's still a problem with corner crossing.

That's not corner crossing, that's trespassing. Stepping from public to private, no matter how small = trespassing. Stepping from public to public = corner crossing. Due to your personal feelings on the matter you seem to intentionally abuse the two, or at least incorrectly use them interchangeably.

As for your real world experiences on here, that can be applied to anything. There's good deeds, there's bad deeds. If you get enough people together they've experienced them all within that group. Doesn't mean everyone is bad or everyone is good. But you had constantly said people are bad and will do whatever they can get away with. We all know your feelings very well on this, doesn't make them right.

It doesn't make your feelings right either. You and Platnsek-po just take issue with my posts because you want to personally define a term like corner crossing. "Corner crossing means legally entering public land" no it doesn't, its a generic term for crossing any corner of land to another. Just because a judge in Wyoming ruled in favor of a few guys who did it doesn't make it right either. You can argue in favor of it all you want. Do you believe OJ Simpson was innocent? Quit trying to make it sound like it's an honest man's way of doing things. Your the same guy who argued that people who take the time to go into the ba country don't leave trash behind aren't you? And I immediately found you an article about backcountry horsemen in Wyoming bringing out hundreds of pounds of trash that lazy people left out in the wilderness. Miles from the trailhead. Because the fact is that alot of people get tired enough to say, F it, I'm taking the shortcut. And it will get abused. Can you or Platensek-po give me the legal definition of corner crossing?
Corner crossing is the act of stepping from public land to public land at a 4 way corner on a checkerboard pattern of land. The key is that at no point do you make physical contact with the private land. It’s not a feeling it’s a decision made by a federal judge and also a jury of 12. Stating that stepping from public land to public land is the same as driving across someone’s property is ridiculous. I understand your concerns with it and they may be valid. But the same thing could be said about any activity. Will there be some people who abuse or try to use it as an excuse. Of course. Does that mean we take the right to legally access public land away from everyone? Do you think that because some people use guns for murder or crime that no one should have the right to own a gun? That’s the logic you are using here.

Well down on East Sprague by Sonnebergs Deli and the Hells Angel's clubhouse, corner crossing is when a new girl moves onto your block and you have to tell her to beat it or get stabbed. You need to make some money...  :dunno:

I may have spent some time down on East Sprague hauling ammo cans and got the Intel from the local pimp. So they see it differently too.  :chuckle:

I’m getting a better understanding of where the confusion is coming from then
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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2024, 08:46:33 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2024, 08:53:15 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

I see, you just like to toss out statements about people that aren't correct, then run away. Your typical MO.

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Re: Update on Wyoming corner crossing
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2024, 08:58:49 AM »
Corner crossings not in the Second Amendment though? 🤔  Keep waiting,  just stare at the screen all day Taco. Don't forget to refresh the page though. I never said take away all public access rights either or even brought up gun ownership.

But a judge ruled on what the 2nd amendment means just like with corner crossing. Your affiliation with criminal elements and their definitions of things don’t apply here. Corner crossing has a definition in this case and was ruled as a legal form of access to public land. Regardless of your feelings on it. I provided it to you and you started talking about your dealings with pimps and biker gangs  :dunno:
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