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Blacktail bootcamp
« on: September 18, 2024, 09:49:02 PM »
https://theblacktailcoach.com/blacktail-bootcamp

Has anyone attended that? If so, can you offer some feedback?

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2024, 04:47:28 AM »
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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2024, 07:44:29 AM »
I’ve seen quite a few people mention it on Facebook groups. I’m thinking about trying it.
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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2024, 08:04:22 AM »
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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2024, 09:56:58 AM »
Man, this is a tough topic for me. I've met Dave and spoken with him before, seems like a solid dude who is passionate about blacktail hunting and teaching others. I've never taken his class or spoken directly to anyone that has, however it has a good reputation of learning a lot of valuable tools.

My struggle is that I personally don't believe in charging people for hunting information, there is tons of great resources for blacktail hunting on this site and online for free. Lots of great blacktail hunters share this information for free and provide seminars at outdoors stores, hunting expos, or over a cup of coffee. I met a young man off this forum this summer and we've met to discuss strategies, areas to focus on etc., all he did was buy me a cup of coffee.

I could drop a pin on a good P&Y class buck for someone to hunt, but without the knowledge of how to hunt that buck you might never even see him. How much is that knowledge worth? Are you going to spend $1000 for it? Are you going to spend countless hours reading information, making observations in the field, or sitting around a campfire while absorbing information from a seasoned hunter? Cutting the learning curve is paramount for successful hunting, is there a monetary amount attached to that for you? Taking a class won't give you the coordinates to a book-class-buck, but it will help you to identify the keys to locating and hunting that quality of deer.

For $500 you can buy 10 cell cameras with a yearly subscription to unlimited data/photos. For another $500 you can buy a good saddle hunting kit. Play your cards right and you may have enough left over for a walk-in access permit. Spend the time to study WDFW harvest reports, Big Game records for highest density of book-class-bucks, read all the free available intel here and on other blogs/posts. Put the time in the field scouting and observing the areas/patterns/habitats.

My strategies change by season, weapon choice, and time or year. 5000' High Buck is night-and-day difference from October 30th at 200'. Without knowing all the topics covered in the course I cannot give an honest opinion. People finances are their own prerogative, what I choose to spend my money on may not make sense to you, but that's OK. Personally, I'd invest the capital in enhancing my equipment to allow for more flexibility in my tactics, adding more tools to my war chest. If you see the value in this class and the information it provides, then do it and don't worry about justifying it to anyone else (except maybe your spouse).

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« Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 08:26:56 AM by Sundance »

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2024, 10:04:35 AM »
I took the day course a couple years ago with my brother (i'm actually in the picture in the link provided) and with his insight really gave me a good understanding of all things blacktail. If you didn't have much experience hunting then this class would be worth it. If your already pretty successful hunter then maybe not. However if your having trouble finding trophy class bucks and you want to get a shot at them then this class is gold.

Me personally i think its worth it. Think how much money we spend on the latest gear, gas for traveling, food, lodging. This class will give you the tools to spend your time more wisely and less time guessing where there at.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2024, 10:15:03 AM »
@Sundance - thank you for your words of wisdom. I’ve read 4 books on deer hunting and 2 specifically on blacktail hunting. I’ve tried archery, modern rifle, feeders, minerals, cameras, tree stands, still hunting, rattling, etc and still haven’t connected. I’ve learned a ton, love getting out in the woods, and have had some nice bucks on camera. I feel I’m pretty good at finding where they live although I still struggle with bedding areas versus feeding areas. There are just certain dots I haven’t been able to connect. I know I’ll get there but speeding up the process a bit would be nice. I’ve been blacktail hunting for about 4 years now.

I got close once during late archery but thought I was watching a doe until it got close enough for be to realize it had one antler. I wasn’t able to draw at that point. I also got close once last season during modern rifle but it was about 20 minutes after shooting light on the way back to my truck.

Would love to buy you coffee sometime. I’m in North Bend but am happy to travel if you’d go for it.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2024, 11:05:58 AM »
Ok so it sounds like this is a worthwhile class. I understand that this wisdom can be gained a few other ways, but 1.) I don't know anyone who can, or is willing to mentor at this level and 2.) I don't have the free time to spend years or decades in the woods figuring out blacktail. I am 7-8 years into my hunting journey and have gotten one deer, back in 2019.

Personally one of my struggles with blacktail and hunting in general is that unlike most hobbies, making incremental progress and securing "small wins" that build into big wins doesn't translate the same. If you're lifting weights you can make incremental progress. If you're learning an instrument or a new language or anything else you can measure your success step by step. With hunting, I find myself spending year after year wondering if I am doing the right thing, because the actions I am taking are not getting me any closer to success. There's nothing that validates it and says "Yes, you're improving!"

I don't think this is an uncommon observation, either: we regularly hear about how "one day it all came together!" or "I didn't see any animals for 9 days of a 10 day hunt and then at the last 60 seconds of daylight on the last day, a deer appeared" - it feels (to me, a novice) to be very binary. Either you're getting an animal down or you're not.

Now, if I were after some other species of deer in a different habitat where I could actually lay eyes on them but was just having a hard time connecting then it would be different, but blacktail are challenging in that regard.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2024, 11:52:04 AM »
@Sundance - thank you for your words of wisdom. I’ve read 4 books on deer hunting and 2 specifically on blacktail hunting. I’ve tried archery, modern rifle, feeders, minerals, cameras, tree stands, still hunting, rattling, etc and still haven’t connected. I’ve learned a ton, love getting out in the woods, and have had some nice bucks on camera. I feel I’m pretty good at finding where they live although I still struggle with bedding areas versus feeding areas. There are just certain dots I haven’t been able to connect. I know I’ll get there but speeding up the process a bit would be nice. I’ve been blacktail hunting for about 4 years now.

I got close once during late archery but thought I was watching a doe until it got close enough for be to realize it had one antler. I wasn’t able to draw at that point. I also got close once last season during modern rifle but it was about 20 minutes after shooting light on the way back to my truck.

Would love to buy you coffee sometime. I’m in North Bend but am happy to travel if you’d go for it.

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Anytime, I work in Mukilteo but live on the Peninsula. Fall season is hectic for me with hunting/fishing/trapping. Shoot me a PM and we can connect sometime in person or on the phone.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2024, 11:58:28 AM »
I realized that non urbanized blacktail bucks especially the big ones only daylight maybe 1 week a year looking for hot does. Sometimes second rut too but they don't get big by hanging out in clearcuts. Forget clearcuts and look for thick nasty stuff that you can find a rub line, edges (conifers and deciduous meet), converging trails, and benches (old log skitter roads are a good start). If you are in an area and you can see more than 20 yards in any direction its not thick enough according to the class. Set cameras on trails and check them often. Use some mineral lick (Dave recommended Drop zone from facebook when i took the class). His class focus's around ambushing bucks by tree stand or blind hunting. Spot and stalking big blacktails you would have to get very lucky. Archery season for blacktail bucks is mostly a waste of time because the bucks are still in small bachelor groups staying hidden only coming out at night. The tag closest to the rut would be modern (while using a bow) season or late season archery.

 If you do take the class. Take extensive notes the whole class because you will retain the information much better than someone just listening. Even if you never read the notes again you will remember much more. In the class, I hardly ever looked up except to copy the slides and just kept writing all day.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2024, 12:01:29 PM »
Ok so it sounds like this is a worthwhile class. I understand that this wisdom can be gained a few other ways, but 1.) I don't know anyone who can, or is willing to mentor at this level and 2.) I don't have the free time to spend years or decades in the woods figuring out blacktail. I am 7-8 years into my hunting journey and have gotten one deer, back in 2019.

Personally one of my struggles with blacktail and hunting in general is that unlike most hobbies, making incremental progress and securing "small wins" that build into big wins doesn't translate the same. If you're lifting weights you can make incremental progress. If you're learning an instrument or a new language or anything else you can measure your success step by step. With hunting, I find myself spending year after year wondering if I am doing the right thing, because the actions I am taking are not getting me any closer to success. There's nothing that validates it and says "Yes, you're improving!"

I don't think this is an uncommon observation, either: we regularly hear about how "one day it all came together!" or "I didn't see any animals for 9 days of a 10 day hunt and then at the last 60 seconds of daylight on the last day, a deer appeared" - it feels (to me, a novice) to be very binary. Either you're getting an animal down or you're not.

Now, if I were after some other species of deer in a different habitat where I could actually lay eyes on them but was just having a hard time connecting then it would be different, but blacktail are challenging in that regard.

Mature blacktail are hard, they will school you constantly. Persistence and resilience have to be strong in your vocabulary. My best buck came after 5-6 days of not seeing a legal buck. I was working my process and starting to question my methods with the lack of results. Then, in a split second I had my buck-of-a-lifetime at 7 yards. Bow hunting mature blacktail is like fly fishing for steelhead, it's an hours game. A good buddy recently said that for for every inch of antler hanging on his wall, there is an hour of time dedicated to the pursuit. I feel that statement best encompasses my relationship with blacktail hunting.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2024, 02:15:35 PM »
I took the day course a couple years ago with my brother (i'm actually in the picture in the link provided) and with his insight really gave me a good understanding of all things blacktail. If you didn't have much experience hunting then this class would be worth it. If your already pretty successful hunter then maybe not. However if your having trouble finding trophy class bucks and you want to get a shot at them then this class is gold.

Me personally i think its worth it. Think how much money we spend on the latest gear, gas for traveling, food, lodging. This class will give you the tools to spend your time more wisely and less time guessing where there at.

He mentions getting mature bucks to come in to his sets in the daylight. The only sets he could be mentioning would either be bait or mineral. I'm guessing bait, correct?
Just hunting trails wouldn't be drawing them to your set...
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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2024, 03:49:51 PM »
Ok so it sounds like this is a worthwhile class. I understand that this wisdom can be gained a few other ways, but 1.) I don't know anyone who can, or is willing to mentor at this level and 2.) I don't have the free time to spend years or decades in the woods figuring out blacktail. I am 7-8 years into my hunting journey and have gotten one deer, back in 2019.

Personally one of my struggles with blacktail and hunting in general is that unlike most hobbies, making incremental progress and securing "small wins" that build into big wins doesn't translate the same. If you're lifting weights you can make incremental progress. If you're learning an instrument or a new language or anything else you can measure your success step by step. With hunting, I find myself spending year after year wondering if I am doing the right thing, because the actions I am taking are not getting me any closer to success. There's nothing that validates it and says "Yes, you're improving!"

I don't think this is an uncommon observation, either: we regularly hear about how "one day it all came together!" or "I didn't see any animals for 9 days of a 10 day hunt and then at the last 60 seconds of daylight on the last day, a deer appeared" - it feels (to me, a novice) to be very binary. Either you're getting an animal down or you're not.

Now, if I were after some other species of deer in a different habitat where I could actually lay eyes on them but was just having a hard time connecting then it would be different, but blacktail are challenging in that regard.

Mature blacktail are hard, they will school you constantly. Persistence and resilience have to be strong in your vocabulary. My best buck came after 5-6 days of not seeing a legal buck. I was working my process and starting to question my methods with the lack of results. Then, in a split second I had my buck-of-a-lifetime at 7 yards. Bow hunting mature blacktail is like fly fishing for steelhead, it's an hours game. A good buddy recently said that for for every inch of antler hanging on his wall, there is an hour of time dedicated to the pursuit. I feel that statement best encompasses my relationship with blacktail hunting.

Blacktail bucks don't get big because they are stupid.  The big ones are crafty as hell and know human patterns.  They are almost nocturnal during the season.  Like Sundance mentioned... it is an hours game. Time and persistence WILL pay off.

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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2024, 05:07:40 PM »
I went to one of his seminars that was offered on this forum to vets
very knowledgeable guy.
I also saw him down at the Puyallup sportsman show.
I’ve picked up a couple of good black tail over the years, but I’m a meat hunter mostly, I learned a few things
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Re: Blacktail bootcamp
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2024, 08:12:16 PM »
I went to one of his seminars that was offered on this forum to vets
very knowledgeable guy.
I also saw him down at the Puyallup sportsman show.
I’ve picked up a couple of good black tail over the years, but I’m a meat hunter mostly, I learned a few things

Thank you for the feedback! The opinions of folks on this forum mean a lot to me so I think I'll take him up on this class. If I want to continue deer hunting I think I need to optimize my chances on the one deer species near me. I can get time off work, but getting time away from family commitments (kids, property, estate, etc) is very difficult, so having deer hunting options close to home is important.

 


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