Possible record bull?

[Whitefoot]

As I said on a post on this subject on facebook.  THe best way to handle the OL article is to turn it into a drinking game.   Every time they mention the word Public, take a shot.   By the end of the article you wont remember reading it.

lol

[Feathernfurr]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

[trophyhunt]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

100%. Perfectly said!    And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself. 

[Tbar]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

The article validates that it was fed at multiple houses,  lots of reason for added suspicious thoughts(even investigations). If it were me I would have started and ended with this quote from the article "To kill a world record, you have to hunt that animal where he is — not where you want him to be.". Beyond that the article did very little to "tell the other side of the story". There are many more pictures of the bull floating around when it was alive and comfortable in a residential setting. 

[hunterednate]

The rest of the story:

https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/

Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.

she never asked me.

I appreciate you clarifying this. The authors specifically say you "declined to be interviewed on the record in January," and if they didn't contact you in January (or if they thought they did and you never actually responded with "I decline") - in my opinion, that's unethical and deceptive reporting.

[Feathernfurr]

That was a bit of my thought. The article tried to make it appear as if they did some thorough investigative work to verify everything, but it seems about as clear as mud. Unfortunately in today’s times I trust zero media sources to be free from corruption, even the things that aren’t related to politics. This article definitely felt like there was some bias and as if the narrative was trying to be controlled from Casey’s camp.

[bigdub257]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

100%. Perfectly said!    And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.

Agree totally.  My gut tells me there's more to the story. A lot more!

[CarbonHunter]

I think the OL article just confirmed what most of us figured happened. Yes it was a legal kill but there is nothing about the hunt to brag about beyond the size of the bull.

He obviously put in a lot of time and money to locate the bull but he wasn’t chasing it all season long. He admits that he only got it on video a couple of times and if he wasn’t alerted by his cell camera in early December he would have given up on the bull. Also that the bull crossed one camera and then was spotted on another is the only reason he was able to track it to the neighborhood he killed it in.

The hunter obviously took advantage of a gray area in the P&Y rules by using the cell cameras to track the animal. If I were on the committee that needs to make the final decision I would bring attention to him admitting to using cell cameras to track the animal and I would vote that the use of that electronic device to track the animal is a violation of the fair chase doctrine. But I’m not on that committee and I doubt they will take that stance.

[Stein]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

100%. Perfectly said!    And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.

Who knows where the bull spent the rest of the year? 

[zwickeyman]

P&Y Rules of fair chase

By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow. to guide someone to an animal

[freshgrease]

I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.

100%. Perfectly said!    And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.

Who knows where the bull spent the rest of the year?

Around the homes in upper Peoh point I'd wager 



My huge takeaway from that article is that 5 gal of apples and 5 gal of alfalfa and you got old bulls letting their tastebuds get the better of them!

Omw to the feed store

[link]

As I said on a post on this subject on facebook.  THe best way to handle the OL article is to turn it into a drinking game.   Every time they mention the word Public, take a shot.   By the end of the article you wont remember reading it.

Yes! It sure seemed like they were pushing hard on the public land/ national Forest a angle in that article 😂
Also, that guy got a months worth of scouting, asking permission, baiting and hunting done in three day's 🤣

[Roslyn Rambler]

Really cringey first few minutes of the Cameron Hanes / Casey Brooks podcast.

A$$ kissing & apologies. That was very strange

[2MANY]

Seems like a lot of folks here like chichen Dennis.

[buglebuster]

What I find odd is the part about the truck wreck with the snow plow. They said he was on his way home from work and lives in La center. That is not western Washington in the picture, or a wsdot snow plow 🤷‍♂️