Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group

[Feathernfurr]

At the rate that Idaho's winter range is filling in with houses and other development, this thread will be a moot point in a decade or so, at least for much of that state.  Pains me to say it.

Unfortunately I think this is very true. If people want that lifestyle/experience in a decade or two they’re going to have to be willing to move to some places that require a lot of sacrifices in life.

[idaho guy]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.

Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington  :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

   




This is the problem! New residents are responsible  for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number

[ipkus]

Idaho residents complain about WA, Wyoming complains about Utah, Montana complains about MN…blah blah blah.

Slob hunters are everywhere.  Slob hunters hunt as non-residents everywhere.

The way all Western states continue to DECREASE the percentage of tags available for non-residents, complaining about non-resident hunters ruining anything is both futile and misplaced.

The reality is many states mismanage their game (and predator) populations and don’t restrict resident hunting.

These are the two major reasons hunting is getting more crowded and there’s less game on the landscape.  All of the other things people complain about are very minor in effect.  But it sure feels good to complain about it.

[MADMAX]

Well
They sure won’t be telling residents sorry you can’t hunt here
Agree on the rest
And to add Timber companies here have locked up lots of land to the public without permits because of slobs meth and vandals

[CarbonHunter]

For every 100 new resident hunters in Idaho us non resident scum get 10 more tags and there is 100 less non residents trying to buy them. This may resolve itself.

[Feathernfurr]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.

Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington  :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

   




This is the problem! New residents are responsible  for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number

Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.

[ipkus]

If you are speaking about ID specifically, the only time they haven’t sold all or almost of their non-resident tags were the couple of years after they jacked the prices and sticker shock scared some folks away for a bit. And there are a lot more tags now that they’ve put a cap on that they didn’t use to (like late whitetail tags).

[CarbonHunter]

If you are speaking about ID specifically, the only time they haven’t sold all or almost of their non-resident tags were the couple of years after they jacked the prices and sticker shock scared some folks away for a bit. And there are a lot more tags now that they’ve put a cap on that they didn’t use to (like late whitetail tags).

Were those the same years that wolf numbers were extremely high and the economy sucked?

[blackveltbowhunter]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.

Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington  :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

   




This is the problem! New residents are responsible  for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number

Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.

5 years ago the system wildly changed.

[2MANY]

Live in Idaho and work in Wa?
What will that cost you in taxes?

[BULLBLASTER]

Live in Idaho and work in Wa?
What will that cost you in taxes?

Taxes would be the least of my worries. A mortgage at 7% instead if my current 2.5% paired with the cost of homes makes it a nonstarter.

[High Climber]

Live in Idaho and work in Wa?
What will that cost you in taxes?

I did it for a few months, if I remember correctly it was an extra 7% off the top

[idaho guy]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.

Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington  :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

   




This is the problem! New residents are responsible  for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number

Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.

   

agree with that. I should not have said ALL. I miss the good old days when  you could buy a second non res tag as a resident well into deer or elk season.  The influx of new residents is definitely the majority of the crowding problem but your point makes sense.

[2MANY]

Live in Idaho and work in Wa?
What will that cost you in taxes?

I did it for a few months, if I remember correctly it was an extra 7% off the top

People don't get the tax thing.
It's a pile.

[dreamingbig]

Readers digest version....
Draw system
License required
Increased cost
Decrease tags

And more of the nonresident tags allocated to outfitters.


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