Resign?

[metlhead]

Anyone else out here to kill geese this morning?

[jackelope]

Hopefully the National forest is still open for fun this summer and fall. Also hopefully it doesn’t all burn to the ground.

[CarbonHunter]

I was employed several years ago by a fairly large, international company with offices literally around the world.. With profits down two years in a row, a decision was made to cut costs by closing some offices and letting people go.  They offered what they called an early retirement offer to nearly every employee. 6 months pay and 6 months health insurance coverage.  Problem was that every good employee who knew they could easily find employment (mostly with competitors)  were the ones who took the offer.  (Myself included)  That was not enough so.they laid off another large group starting with the newest employees and worked their way up to reach their goal  This left them with a management group who should have been selectively let go for poor preformance. Additionally the younger ones who made the cut were concerned about future cut backs and most of the better ones started immediately looking elsewhere..Company never really recovered, sold off some divisions and is now a shadow of its old self.  Their record has made it difficult to recruit top people. Hope we're not seeing that same type thing in our government.

I think you will see a lot of the good government works go to private contractors and make a ton of money selling the same services they were performing back to the government. Likewise the government won’t be properly staffed to see how the private sector is fleecing the government. You thought $40k hammers were bad just wait until this generation of federal workers buy $400k “hammers” and they show up with a squeaky rubber head and a plastic handle.

Baldopepper I am currently in a situation with my employer that you were in several years ago. Big private equity money came in and bought the company I worked for and started making a bunch of changes to increase value so they can resell their investment in a couple years. Now 2 years in the company value is tanking and the people are leaving. They can no longer attract decent talent and every KPI is going in the wrong direction. 2 weeks ago they increased prices dramatically after last year saying don’t lose on price. Now they are going to be the highest priced business in the field in our area. And I was told that I am required to maintain the margins I was getting before the 50% price hike. (They inflated the cost of labor and materials to the branches to cover corporate expenses)

Well last night I just ironed out the details of the offer letter I should be receiving next week to go to a competitor. Hoping for the best from a fresh start.

[CarbonHunter]

Hopefully the National forest is still open for fun this summer and fall. Also hopefully it doesn’t all burn to the ground.

I’m hoping there is no attempts to sell our government land or lease it to a corporation that prevents us from using it. We all know there is some in government who feel we should sell it and they are typically Republicans.

[Buckhunter24]

I saw earlier today that the US Forest Service seams to be the hardest hit with today’s terminations. Honestly we were finally starting to see some actual management of our forests since Clinton stopped logging and I think these across the board actions will set forest management back even further.

Give it some time
I believe Trump will be directing his team to start doing some realignments, restructuring and new hiring

Fat chance, most areas have lost a significant portion of their workforce that had the boots on the ground. To think this will get turned around anytime soon beyond laughable. The terminations will continue through next week, for an agency that was already lean. Oh well what’s a few more people to add to Washington homeless population.

Ramp up the cut then we can look at bringing back some employees.

That's not realistic. That's like having a doctor tell the surgeon to just start pulling out organs and well see how it goes during the post-surgery recovery.

Targeted cuts might have been productive AFTER auditing and understanding the impact. Broad base decimation doesn't actually protect the financial and resource interests of our country. That's why you don't just have some random person come in and fire your IT staff to save money... System dependency and vitality.

Musk did the same process at Twitter. Market cap went from 44b to 9b. It doesn't make operational sense or business sense

No doubt it seems bass ackwards. I would have much rather seen the red tape reduced. Its easy to feel frustrated with the majority of the FS districts production. There are a handful of districts that have been headed in a good direction, I sure hope they can maintain it.

[EnglishSetter]

I saw earlier today that the US Forest Service seams to be the hardest hit with today’s terminations. Honestly we were finally starting to see some actual management of our forests since Clinton stopped logging and I think these across the board actions will set forest management back even further.

Give it some time
I believe Trump will be directing his team to start doing some realignments, restructuring and new hiring

Fat chance, most areas have lost a significant portion of their workforce that had the boots on the ground. To think this will get turned around anytime soon beyond laughable. The terminations will continue through next week, for an agency that was already lean. Oh well what’s a few more people to add to Washington homeless population.

Ramp up the cut then we can look at bringing back some employees.

That's not realistic. That's like having a doctor tell the surgeon to just start pulling out organs and well see how it goes during the post-surgery recovery.

Targeted cuts might have been productive AFTER auditing and understanding the impact. Broad base decimation doesn't actually protect the financial and resource interests of our country. That's why you don't just have some random person come in and fire your IT staff to save money... System dependency and vitality.

Musk did the same process at Twitter. Market cap went from 44b to 9b. It doesn't make operational sense or business sense

No doubt it seems bass ackwards. I would have much rather seen the red tape reduced. Its easy to feel frustrated with the majority of the FS districts production. There are a handful of districts that have been headed in a good direction, I sure hope they can maintain it.

Red tape is gov't jobs.

[EnglishSetter]

Some real TDS around here.  No wonder WA is CA Lite.

~3% of the employees took the "early retirement". 

There's 2.5MM civil Fed employees.

[Alchase]

In the mid 90s, Boeing offered the one and only Silver Parachute (only management get the Golden Parachute) to reduce head count. I do not remember the complete specifics, but basically anyone withing five years of retirement to take the option to retire and get a multitude of retirement benefits.
242 people on the "blacK" program I was working at the time. Everyone left started panicking. How are we going to replace all those senior people
Well after everything settled down, 16 were replaced. 
16 of the 242 were critical enough to be replaced, and most of those were through upgrades not new hires. No deliveries were impacted by schedule or quality.

I am not saying this is the answer, because each situation is different. I am saying that hardly ever is the damage done by consolidation situations, anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

[EnglishSetter]

Some real TDS around here.  No wonder WA is CA Lite.

~3% of the employees took the "early retirement". 

There's 2.5MM civil Fed employees.

This topic has shifted from the original posters intent. So this wasn’t actually inference to resigned. This was for terminated employees. I will not respond to this thread, cause it has gone off the tracks. But, you are correct not many resigned as they shouldn’t have.

Expect more haircuts without the soft landing.

[EnglishSetter]

In the mid 90s, Boeing offered the one and only Silver Parachute (only management get the Golden Parachute) to reduce head count. I do not remember the complete specifics, but basically anyone withing five years of retirement to take the option to retire and get a multitude of retirement benefits.
242 people on the "blacK" program I was working at the time. Everyone left started panicking. How are we going to replace all those senior people
Well after everything settled down, 16 were replaced. 
16 of the 242 were critical enough to be replaced, and most of those were through upgrades not new hires. No deliveries were impacted by schedule or quality.

I am not saying this is the answer, because each situation is different. I am saying that hardly ever is the damage done by consolidation situations, anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

I met the criteria for a "package" from the power company.  The target was 5% head count reduction.  From silver handcuffs to silver parachute.

Dunno why so many think this is some weird arrangement.  Similar enough happens in the private sector world routinely.

[MR5x5]

From the Bureau of Labor and Statistics - This is why downsizing of a few tens of thousands does not even seem serious.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2024/employment-in-government-rose-by-709000-in-2023.htm

Employment in government rose by 709,000 in 2023
July 11, 2024

Employment growth in government accelerated in 2023 (+709,000), exceeding growth in 2022 (+299,000) and 2021 (+392,000). Government employment recovered to its prepandemic level in September 2023, surpassing its February 2020 level by 209,000 in December 2023.

   Local government led the job gains, adding 351,000 jobs over the year, with gains in local government, excluding education (+189,000) and local government education (+162,000).

[Stein]

That data has all forms of government - federal, state and local.  They are shooting for a 200-300,00 reduction directly and probably double that overall if you account for private company involvement.

The thing I notice is that the cuts are very focused, so it isn't like every department will trim their bottom 10%.  They haven't touched anything defense/security related and that's 70% of federal employees.  So, if you cut 10% overall from only 30% of the pot you get a really big number.

Which leads me to the question of what will happen when we realize we actually needed some of those people?  Will friendly corporations be ready and willing to quickly fix it through contracts?  Is this going to just be a big outsourcing project?

[MR5x5]

That data has all forms of government - federal, state and local.  They are shooting for a 200-300,00 reduction directly and probably double that overall if you account for private company involvement.

The thing I notice is that the cuts are very focused, so it isn't like every department will trim their bottom 10%.  They haven't touched anything defense/security related and that's 70% of federal employees.  So, if you cut 10% overall from only 30% of the pot you get a really big number.

Which leads me to the question of what will happen when we realize we actually needed some of those people?  Will friendly corporations be ready and willing to quickly fix it through contracts?  Is this going to just be a big outsourcing project?

Fair points. My expectations, until proven otherwise, are that savings from deregulation and elimination of none essential outlays will provide the ability to ensure that necessary functions are funded and retained.  I appreciate in the end it won't be perfect.  And I very much appreciate that if you are someone with your head in the blender that it sucks and is extremely stressful. Sausage making is ugly business.
If in the end it does not largely go down as I'm hoping, I'll be right there with you demanding fixes.  I think I'm paying attention...but to date all I have seen is a lot of hand wringing and worrying about things to worry about. 
Sadly this is a result of generations of government run amok resulting in a non sustainable $16T debt.

I wish the best for all involved and believe that is where we will eventually end up.

It will be interesting to see specifically what has been cut.  I'm hopeful this site will provide the details to allow people to better understand just what is being cut.
https://www.doge.gov/

[jmscon]

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[Mikey The Cat]

METLHEAD - Two big ones this morning. Pair did it like in the picture books. Skip Wednesday; hunt Saturday. Last late season for who knows how long. I'm okay with that -