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Hunt $ in question?
« on: March 12, 2025, 05:09:23 PM »
Unfortunate information of the possible future for our public lands.

“birds that don’t stay on the refuge or that aren’t available for hunters or closures of visitor centers and reduction in access.”

“State agencies that depend on funding from the wildlife and fisheries restoration accounts, called Pittman-Robertson and Dingell-Johnson, respectively, are reporting stoppages”

“These funds are critical for supporting state habitat work, public-land acquisitions, stocking programs, hunter education, new shooting ranges”

“Ultimately, hunters and anglers are going to pay the price in less access, less opportunity, and less service from state agencies.”

“Federal grant money funds not only state conservation projects and programs, but also state agency staff positions.”

“Conservation delivery may shift from the public sector to the private sector“

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/federal-government-cuts-affecting-hunting-fishing/

This read seems for you lawyers but basically saying our public lands are being looked at in ways we never dreamed of before?

“public land is one way to pay down the estimated $36 trillion national debt.“

“Looking at our public lands as part of a balance sheet? That’s *censored* that’s never been said out loud before.”

“Conceivably Congress could say that it wants to dispose of 1.5 million acres of public land to offset proposed tax cuts,” says Willms. “They would then identify a process to do that. If that happens, your firewalls look a lot different.”

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/federal-land-sale-movement/











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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2025, 07:47:35 PM »
Hope the gubmnt gets top dollar for the acreage. Pay down some debt. Fund some programs for less fortunate. Kinda useless land anyway if it ain't producing or supporting growing population.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2025, 09:10:22 PM »
Oh, I wouldn't bet the big $$ behind this isn't looking at prime land.  They have been working on it for years and unfortunately this may be the opportunity they have been looking for.  It would be horrific if it happens.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2025, 10:41:42 PM »
Unfortunate information of the possible future for our public lands.

“birds that don’t stay on the refuge or that aren’t available for hunters or closures of visitor centers and reduction in access.”

“State agencies that depend on funding from the wildlife and fisheries restoration accounts, called Pittman-Robertson and Dingell-Johnson, respectively, are reporting stoppages”

“These funds are critical for supporting state habitat work, public-land acquisitions, stocking programs, hunter education, new shooting ranges”

“Ultimately, hunters and anglers are going to pay the price in less access, less opportunity, and less service from state agencies.”

“Federal grant money funds not only state conservation projects and programs, but also state agency staff positions.”

“Conservation delivery may shift from the public sector to the private sector“

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/federal-government-cuts-affecting-hunting-fishing/

This read seems for you lawyers but basically saying our public lands are being looked at in ways we never dreamed of before?

“public land is one way to pay down the estimated $36 trillion national debt.“

“Looking at our public lands as part of a balance sheet? That’s *censored* that’s never been said out loud before.”

“Conceivably Congress could say that it wants to dispose of 1.5 million acres of public land to offset proposed tax cuts,” says Willms. “They would then identify a process to do that. If that happens, your firewalls look a lot different.”

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/federal-land-sale-movement/

Don’t blame Trump for this, government has been doing this for years.

“Dismantle. Defund. Divest. Starve a government agency until it’s worthless, then get rid of it. That’s exactly what we’re seeing right now with our public-lands agencies. The Trump administration is going on an all-out assault on government, and one of the easiest ways you make people mad at government is to make it dysfunctional.”
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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2025, 06:06:36 AM »

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“Dismantle. Defund. Divest. Starve a government agency until it’s worthless, then get rid of it. That’s exactly what we’re seeing right now with our public-lands agencies. The Trump administration is going on an all-out assault on government, and one of the easiest ways you make people mad at government is to make it dysfunctional.”
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Not hard to make it look dysfunctional. It should be ran like a well oiled machine, just like any successful private business. 
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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2025, 09:38:54 AM »
 C'mon people, there absolutely no way that the best businessman that's ever ran a business would do anything to hurt the common folk. It's ridiculous to believe that he'd hand over the reins of the federal government to a South African emigrant that may not have the best interest of the citizens of this country, in mind.
 He wouldn't give massive tax breaks to multi-billionaires and make cuts to assistance programs that the working citizens of this country have been paying into for years. It's unfathomable that he would cut programs that harm our veterans and fellow citizens that have put there lives on the line for this country.
 The citizens of this great country need to relax, live their lives with eye's closed, and "believe" that the president has their backs and will do everything in his power to make America great again.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2025, 03:54:19 PM »
C'mon people, there absolutely no way that the best businessman that's ever ran a business would do anything to hurt the common folk. It's ridiculous to believe that he'd hand over the reins of the federal government to a South African emigrant that may not have the best interest of the citizens of this country, in mind.
 He wouldn't give massive tax breaks to multi-billionaires and make cuts to assistance programs that the working citizens of this country have been paying into for years. It's unfathomable that he would cut programs that harm our veterans and fellow citizens that have put there lives on the line for this country.
 The citizens of this great country need to relax, live their lives with eye's closed, and "believe" that the president has their backs and will do everything in his power to make America great again.
So who should be auditing the government? I would choose the most successful businessman in the Country, which is what Trump did. And what he ran on the whole time, and won in a landslide victory. The US dollar is at the edge of collapse, interest on our debt is more than the Defense budget... there is some serious issues that need to be fixed immediately. The
 problem is there should be an annual audit, not one every 30 years 
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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2025, 04:39:38 PM »
 Well now that you've asked, I would have to assume it shouldn't be a non-elected South African emigrant, the non-elected being the important point. That individual has no business digging around in our government. Think about only the conflict of interest issues that arise. Our president owes this emigrant his freedom in the tune of 290 million dollars worth. Next, depending on your definition of a successful businessman, our president is so far removed from the most successful businessman he's not even on the first page. Actually, go spend some time looking up the number of companies your man has started and then bankrupted, usually leaving someone else holding the bag.
 As far as public lands being affected. Buy a good set of bolt cutters, a shovel, a good chainsaw or three and a 4x4 and go hunting. Who's going to stop you? It's called public land for a reason. If for some reason, it gets sold to a private entity, it'll take them years for the owners to come up with enough money and workers to monitor it all. Can you imagine how much it will cost to monitor all of the federal lands across this great country? It's a win win for hunters. I don't need someone to maintain the roads for me. In fact, for that reason, it'll probably make hunting better. Poachers are like thieves, if it requires much work, they'll find somewhere else to go be scumbags. If you're cutting trees out of the road on your way in, no one else has been there before you.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2025, 04:40:58 PM »
C'mon people, there absolutely no way that the best businessman that's ever ran a business would do anything to hurt the common folk. It's ridiculous to believe that he'd hand over the reins of the federal government to a South African emigrant that may not have the best interest of the citizens of this country, in mind.
 He wouldn't give massive tax breaks to multi-billionaires and make cuts to assistance programs that the working citizens of this country have been paying into for years. It's unfathomable that he would cut programs that harm our veterans and fellow citizens that have put there lives on the line for this country.
 The citizens of this great country need to relax, live their lives with eye's closed, and "believe" that the president has their backs and will do everything in his power to make America great again.
So who should be auditing the government? I would choose the most successful businessman in the Country, which is what Trump did. And what he ran on the whole time, and won in a landslide victory. The US dollar is at the edge of collapse, interest on our debt is more than the Defense budget... there is some serious issues that need to be fixed immediately. The
 problem is there should be an annual audit, not one every 30 years

Kind of good to remember he won, but had less than 50% of the popular vote. Not exactly a landslide when you consider that more than half the population voted against him.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2025, 04:50:19 PM »
Well now that you've asked, I would have to assume it shouldn't be a non-elected South African emigrant, the non-elected being the important point. That individual has no business digging around in our government. Think about only the conflict of interest issues that arise. Our president owes this emigrant his freedom in the tune of 290 million dollars worth. Next, depending on your definition of a successful businessman, our president is so far removed from the most successful businessman he's not even on the first page. Actually, go spend some time looking up the number of companies your man has started and then bankrupted, usually leaving someone else holding the bag.
 As far as public lands being affected. Buy a good set of bolt cutters, a shovel, a good chainsaw or three and a 4x4 and go hunting. Who's going to stop you? It's called public land for a reason. If for some reason, it gets sold to a private entity, it'll take them years for the owners to come up with enough money and workers to monitor it all. Can you imagine how much it will cost to monitor all of the federal lands across this great country? It's a win win for hunters. I don't need someone to maintain the roads for me. In fact, for that reason, it'll probably make hunting better. Poachers are like thieves, if it requires much work, they'll find somewhere else to go be scumbags. If you're cutting trees out of the road on your way in, no one else has been there before you.

So, only elected individuals should be able to root out government waste?

Unelected individuals do the bidding of the elected all day long.
He's not doing anything the president didn't specifically authorize him to do.
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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2025, 05:17:44 PM »
Duck season only 7 months away

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2025, 05:29:07 PM »
Duck season only 7 months away

 :tup: And turkeys only 1 month.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2025, 06:10:24 PM »
Can't talk turkey here! Bad politics and ducks only. Shame

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2025, 06:32:08 PM »
So who should be auditing the government? I would choose the most successful businessman in the Country, which is what Trump did. And what he ran on the whole time, and won in a landslide victory. The US dollar is at the edge of collapse, interest on our debt is more than the Defense budget... there is some serious issues that need to be fixed immediately. The
 problem is there should be an annual audit, not one every 30 years

I would chose an auditor (or rather large team or probably even a couple independent teams in the case of auditing the USG), it's what they do and who every other entity requiring auditing uses.  Musk and his techs have no idea how to perform an audit and nothing they are doing even vaguely resembles an audit.  They may be cutting programs and staff which may or may not be a good idea, but they aren't doing an audit.

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Re: Hunt $ in question?
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2025, 07:49:17 PM »
So who should be auditing the government? I would choose the most successful businessman in the Country, which is what Trump did. And what he ran on the whole time, and won in a landslide victory. The US dollar is at the edge of collapse, interest on our debt is more than the Defense budget... there is some serious issues that need to be fixed immediately. The
 problem is there should be an annual audit, not one every 30 years

I would chose an auditor (or rather large team or probably even a couple independent teams in the case of auditing the USG), it's what they do and who every other entity requiring auditing uses.  Musk and his techs have no idea how to perform an audit and nothing they are doing even vaguely resembles an audit.  They may be cutting programs and staff which may or may not be a good idea, but they aren't doing an audit.

Good old fashioned auditor teams got us into this predicament;  I don't see them getting us out of it.

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